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A study of ethicists finds they’re no more ethical than the rest of us

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There are multiple studies (https://qz.com/work/1170682/employees-at-socially-conscious-... being an example) which point to existence of some kind of a "good deed pool" in humans. Once you've filled it by doing your share of good stuff for today, you can relax and become a true awful self.

For a lot of people doing something good (giving to charity, writing a post condemning racism, saying a morning prayer) grants an indulgence to be nasty for the rest of the day.

Re: A study of ethicists finds they’re no more ethical than the rest of us

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fairy tales, urban legends, myths and stories have been used to teach morality and ethics probably since humans were capable of abstract thought and language. Fantasy fiction is just a commercialized version of the same. To me there's little difference between finding moral lessons in the Beatitudes versus the Jedi Code, which some people do.

Steven Pinker also makes an interesting case that widespread reading of fiction has made people in general more empathetic as they put themselves into a greater variety of shoes.

This was claimed long before Pinker. But the general proposition brings with it one huge (moral? / ethical?) problem: at its heart its the argument that feeling sad for fictitious entities helps us to in some way interface better with non-fictitious entities. Terry Eagleton argues against the idea of considering fictitious people as in any way relating to real people, but I think he's wrong. The argument needs to be expanded and reversed. In reality, we regard all or almost all) other entities as fictitious. So in this way such a Humanities / Pinker argument but correct in the sense that we are as much inventing entities. However, then, a potential (moral? / ethical?) dilemma arises in that we will then expose this conceptualization on these entities to whatever degree is possible, giving us a panoply of common cultural practices such as --- but not limited to --- the attempted elimination of homosexuality, the confinement of women to the home, etc. So that which claims to liberate instead provides a superstructure for oppression.

Re: A study of ethicists finds they’re no more ethical than the rest of us

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Missed the prime example: Eric Clanton

He taught ethics at a couple colleges in California. He evidently thought that it would be ethical, in his properly educated professional opinion, to attempt to murder people with different political views. Over multiple days and locations, he bashed a half dozen people in the head with a heavy metal bicycle lock.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/26/eric-clanto...

Re: A study of ethicists finds they’re no more ethical than the rest of us

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Missed the prime example: Eric Clanton He taught ethics at a couple colleges in California. He evidently thought that it would be ethical, in his properly educated professional opinion, to attempt to murder people with different political views. Over multiple days and locations, he bashed a half dozen people in the head with a heavy metal bicycle lock. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/26/eric-clanto...

The link says it was three people, during confrontations at/near a political tally. I don't know if you're speaking from further knowledge and the link is a preliminary report or something like that.

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And physicists presumably aren't better at riding bicycles or playing basketball than non-physicists.

Doesn't really apply because you need a good physical condition to be better at sports (besides knowing how the sports work), an ethicist doesn't need anything to be more ethical.

Re: A study of ethicists finds they’re no more ethical than the rest of us

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Morality isn't supposed to be an intellectual edifice from which experts expound rational arguments. It's a living practice. It's unsurprising to me that the people who devote their lives to making useful distinctions between words, or cooking up situations with babies and trains, aren't as moral as we might think. There's a reason Jesus was more influential than Socrates.

Jesus (unwittingly) had armies killing and subjugating people in his name to spread his influence, and promising impossible rewards. Jesus isn't popular because people lived his practice.

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Thanks. There was a thread on HN yesterday about the benefits of a college education. There was a subthread arguing that without going to a formal college process of study of topics such as ethics and philosophy, a person could not hope to become a moral person, and therefore, the implication goes, college is not only necessary but fundamental to a moral society, and also obviously graduates are more moral and ethica…

I disbelieve.

I apparently missed the thread yesterday, but I doubt anyone seriously suggested that formal college classes were a requirement for moral behavior. If they did, they're fools.

Higher education, philosophy, and ethics classes are beneficial because they put the student in an environment where they can be exposed to a variety of ideas, in an efficient manner. But, you cannot make a horse drink even if you lead them to the water, and they'll find something to drink some of the time even if you don't hold the harness.

Re: A study of ethicists finds they’re no more ethical than the rest of us

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And physicists presumably aren't better at riding bicycles or playing basketball than non-physicists.

Doesn't really apply because you need a good physical condition to be better at sports (besides knowing how the sports work), an ethicist doesn't need anything to be more ethical.

Ok, take more simply figuring out how balance yourself on a bicycle (rather than anything like being a professional cyclist). Studying physics isn't likely to make much difference in how long it takes you learn how to balance on a bike and not fall over.
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