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Are you going to make the fashion world more welcoming of straight males as well?
If I were in the fashion world and felt that was an issue, why not? I'm not a fucking wallflower.
It's not that the fashion world is not welcoming of straight men, it's that most straight men don't care about being in the fashion world.
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I'm a male. I don't give a flying fuck about 'culture'. There is no culture. It matters not a jot to me. It never has. Why should it??? I grew up hacking away on my own in my bedroom floor hunched in front of a PC making raycasting demos at 4am. WTF has culture got to do with me doing that??? Are you trying to say that I started programming because I was embraced by some culture??? Are you saying that women are put o…
> It's hard wiring. Women = nurturing, communication. Men = hunt, build. Let's ignore all the mountains of evidence to the contrary and say that, on average, you are absolutely correct. Have you read Harrison Bergeron? Go on, it's easy to find on google. I'll wait. Okay, done? Good. Now think about this: No matter how correct you may be about genetic predestination, your sexist attitudes, and the actions you take bas…
Same with their bodies. In fact I can't tell men apart from women. They're biologically identical!
Have you actually had any interactions with real women?
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While there are a number of telling studies and statistics relating to gender issues, I think there is enough missing information that it isn't really possible to say much of anything intelligent on the subject. Given that we literally can't even tell the difference between a mental illness and a physical illness much of the time, I don't think science is ready to put a number on the percentage of the entrepreneurshi…
Statistics and studies will tell you information about the source of a gender gap . However, things like: * porn passed around chatrooms * rape jokes around the water cooler * comments on women's attractiveness every time one leaves the room, or every time a photo is posted online. * etc don't really need statistics, do they?
Not that I totally disagree with you, and most of my peer group is under 30. Just saying.
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Our work, or our culture? I'm going to say it's the latter, given that these aspects of it aren't appealing to me either.
I'm a male. I don't give a flying fuck about 'culture'. There is no culture. It matters not a jot to me. It never has. Why should it??? I grew up hacking away on my own in my bedroom floor hunched in front of a PC making raycasting demos at 4am. WTF has culture got to do with me doing that??? Are you trying to say that I started programming because I was embraced by some culture??? Are you saying that women are put o…
Why shit on the exceptional women who do?
Also regarding kids -- my experience is that while there are differences in wiring, parents and friends do subtle things from even before birth that tend to skew things differently for different genders. Whoa anecdote deadlock.
Why are you so angry? People rarely make sense when they're angry -- perhaps this is true here, too?
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Statistics and studies will tell you information about the source of a gender gap . However, things like: * porn passed around chatrooms * rape jokes around the water cooler * comments on women's attractiveness every time one leaves the room, or every time a photo is posted online. * etc don't really need statistics, do they?
I know plenty of women that look at porn, one female friend continually makes jokes about raping me, and if you don't think that women talk about men when they're not around... Not that I totally disagree with you, and most of my peer group is under 30. Just saying.
Note: I'm talking about in professional settings.
p.s.: watch out for your friend. ;)
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Anyone who is offended by a sexist title (this one is an apt historical reference as well) is probably going to have a problem in a startup where employees "[t]ell jokes that would make sailors blush". I bet a fair number of those jokes are sexist, too. This may be an effective filter for a sexual harassment lawsuit.
It's not so much "offended" as the fact that I do not like what developer culture has become. Speaking up about it seems to be a small way to create some change in that culture. If I keep quiet, then the hive-minded sausage-fest will march on, assuming I share its beliefs. On the other hand, speaking up about it really is just tilting at windmills, and incredibly frustrating each time.
Yeah, it always breaks my heart when I hear the horror stories from female hackers. For every well-publicized groping at a conference or porn-filled slide deck, there's a dozen female hackers who stay silent or just complain to friends.
A weird fact: Decent, non-sexist guys have much less data about what goes on than either female hackers or sexist jerks. There's some sort of protocol the sexist jerks use to identify each other, and they generally don't act out unless they think they're among either friends, or targets.
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Yes, I believe that among developers in general and software startups in particular you will find an average to below average number of people with a sexism problem. You will however find an above average number of people who a) can't take a joke b) are somewhat bone headed in making inappropriate jokes. c) people who fall in to categories A and B at the same time.
Let's take category (b). If a joke is truly inappropriate, is it really being a wet blanket to speak up about it?
To tell you the truth I must be so far in category B that I still don't understand the protest. Man has been used as a synonym for human for as long as I can remember. That would make men being the plural of man a synonym for people.
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Statistics and studies will tell you information about the source of a gender gap . However, things like: * porn passed around chatrooms * rape jokes around the water cooler * comments on women's attractiveness every time one leaves the room, or every time a photo is posted online. * etc don't really need statistics, do they?
"don't really need statistics, do they?" I know plenty of women who would have no problem with any of the above. These things happen at some startups, don't happen at others, some women wouldn't want a workplace like this, others would enjoy it. And this is just one of many, many factors. Again, without more information you can't really say anything intelligent.
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I'm a male. I don't give a flying fuck about 'culture'. There is no culture. It matters not a jot to me. It never has. Why should it??? I grew up hacking away on my own in my bedroom floor hunched in front of a PC making raycasting demos at 4am. WTF has culture got to do with me doing that??? Are you trying to say that I started programming because I was embraced by some culture??? Are you saying that women are put o…
> It's hard wiring. Women = nurturing, communication. Men = hunt, build. Let's ignore all the mountains of evidence to the contrary and say that, on average, you are absolutely correct. Have you read Harrison Bergeron? Go on, it's easy to find on google. I'll wait. Okay, done? Good. Now think about this: No matter how correct you may be about genetic predestination, your sexist attitudes, and the actions you take bas…
Please, trot out some of the evidence. I can find plenty that agrees with his statement that men and women are wired differently. I'll get you started:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=men+and+women+...
Aside from that, it makes zero sense from an evolutionary standpoint that both genders would adapt to have the same abilities, preferences, and attitudes. I know it's hard for your PC worldview, but you need to step back from your anger and self-righteousness and examine the evidence.
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If I were in the fashion world and felt that was an issue, why not? I'm not a fucking wallflower.
I think you missed the point. It's not that the fashion world is not welcoming of straight men, it's that most straight men don't care about being in the fashion world.
If the fashion world were shitting all over straight men, it would be wrong whether it was one straight guy looking to make it as a designer or a hundred thousand.