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I Miss Rails

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Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by hombre_fatal »

ericb wrote: post #89
ralusek wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If JavaScript is weird I have no idea what Ruby is. Callback hell and Christmas tree indenting have not been a part of JavaScript for many years since the wide adoption of promises, and now async/await. What makes it order of magnitudes more performant than Ruby is that it's non-blocking, and now comes with a very pleasant syntax to accommodate.

> What makes it order of magnitudes more performant than Ruby Source for the "orders of magnitude" anywhere in the last year or so? Ruby with EventMachine outperformed Node significantly when I tested websocket chat servers.

Though now you're in Event Machine world and can't use the rest of the ecosystem.

One of the frequently overlooked properties of Javascript/Node is that it's async-everything.

I'd be curious to hear more about this benchmark.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by mooreds »

strken wrote: post #136
tomc1985 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rails is FANTASTIC! I work on a hybrid React-on-Rails application and working on the React portions is so. fucking. painful. Seriously the shit people come up with with this "tool" makes corporate-hack Java programmers look good. I am always taking the backend Rails-y tickets if I have the chance

Blaming complexity on React is a bit like blaming complexity on ERB. The problem isn't React, the problem is the massive hole where React doesn't have an opinion. React improves the area around the hole so much that the technologies we use to fill the void look obviously deficient in comparison.

Have you used Vue? From reading it appears Vue has an opinion many places where react does not, but I have built nothing serious in either.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by asattarmd »

I believe Firebase + React is actually that. Yes, it's buying into a proprietary system, but it is so productive working in that. Database is taken care of, file uploads, authentication etc. are all taken care of.

It's not comparable to Rails in that we can't have plugins to install new things that work with the entire stack, but whatever we have initially is really good and I feel makes me very productive

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by nurettin »

namelosw wrote: post #114
ericb wrote: post #20

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What does this enterprise slur even mean ? Is it like saying a band sold out when they had a hit record? Do we only use undiscovered indie frameworks now?

My personal guess on this enterprise would be things like Spring or .Net where everything has an interface instead of just do things like Rails.

Long time rails developer turned "enterprise". Spring-cloud now requires much less boilerplate and is easy to develop with using kotlin's syntactic sugar shortening code and making it more concise.

Orm is kind of a failure and requires us to write some queries by hand into string literals, but at least it has it's own sql syntax to avoid engine dependence.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by everdev »

BillFranklin wrote: post #6

> if the modern equivalent of Rails already exists, please let me know! You're in luck. Rails 5.2.3 was released 20 hours ago. More seriously, I feel rails is still excellent and I'm happy to work with it every day. I'd be interested to hear more about what makes rails not modern? I find it a very productive framework. EDIT: If you're talking about missing a JS equivalent of rails, do you know about Loopback? https:/…

Or try Kemal with Crystal. Kemal is very Sinatra like. And Crystal is very Ruby like but it's compiled so it's much faster.

http://kemalcr.com

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by rajangdavis »

Is there a modern Railscasts?

I feel like the Rails community owes a lot to Ryan Bates for pushing out high quality content and keeping up to date with Rails for as long as he did.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by fny »

tomc1985 wrote: post #92
BillFranklin wrote: post #6

> if the modern equivalent of Rails already exists, please let me know! You're in luck. Rails 5.2.3 was released 20 hours ago. More seriously, I feel rails is still excellent and I'm happy to work with it every day. I'd be interested to hear more about what makes rails not modern? I find it a very productive framework. EDIT: If you're talking about missing a JS equivalent of rails, do you know about Loopback? https:/…

Rails is FANTASTIC! I work on a hybrid React-on-Rails application and working on the React portions is so. fucking. painful. Seriously the shit people come up with with this "tool" makes corporate-hack Java programmers look good. I am always taking the backend Rails-y tickets if I have the chance

Honestly, I just wish Rails had some degree of static typing (a la TypeScript.) As a Rails code base grows and patterns are required beyond the basics, it becomes a nightmare to tell what comes from where. You'd probably gain some mileage from that in your React codebase.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by cutler »

ericb wrote: post #89
ralusek wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If JavaScript is weird I have no idea what Ruby is. Callback hell and Christmas tree indenting have not been a part of JavaScript for many years since the wide adoption of promises, and now async/await. What makes it order of magnitudes more performant than Ruby is that it's non-blocking, and now comes with a very pleasant syntax to accommodate.

> What makes it order of magnitudes more performant than Ruby Source for the "orders of magnitude" anywhere in the last year or so? Ruby with EventMachine outperformed Node significantly when I tested websocket chat servers.

Sources? Seriously, I'd really like to check this EventMachine out.

Re: I Miss Rails

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Post by loktarogar »

b212 wrote: post #67

As a front-end developer I hated Rails, every day was a struggle working with the project, it was so slow. It was around 4 years ago and I was using top of the line Macbook Pro. Our project wasn't badly written, it was just that slow. Is it better today? I somehow ended up working with PHP-based back-ends but for smaller projects and I sometimes miss Rails, because Docker for Mac...

Here's the thing about performance: even "well written" code can be unperformant.

It could be a query that isn't optimised with an index in the db, it could be best practice code that doesn't work well in the context of your app, any number of things.

At my last job we had a page that looked to be very well written, but it was taking 30+ seconds to render the page. Turns out to be a method we were calling 10x too many, because someone had benchmarked it in isolation and it didn't have any performance impact. However in conjunction with some of the data that occasionally passed through that method, those 10x calls ended up being a couple of seconds each.

That's an extreme example but there's little things you can do everywhere on a rails app if you know what you're looking for, and I would expect this to be the case in any web framework.

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