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Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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pentalobe screws?

Batteries which are soldered to the board instead of using a connector, motherboard is all one assembly including the keyboard, fewer ports, nothing user serviceable. That all seems like measures to make manufacturing easier from my perspective.

How is soldering components simpler than using connectors? It's more expensive for diminishing returns.

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half a centimeter thicker? .04 pounds heavier? how did people even use machines that heavy and thick? did they come with medical insurance to help with the back strain?! /s from an annoyed-with-the-touchbar-mbp-users

to be fair, its like 3 pounds lighter - and doesnt need to be

I think that's about the weight of a typical american soft drink. Surely even the least fit among us can cope with such a hardship.

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pentalobe screws?

Measure that make it harder (but not impossible) for users to disassemble their devices serves to avoid people doing accidental damage (and voiding their warrantee). It's possible to get a pentalobe screwdriver, and anyone not willing to get one probably has no business opening up an Apple product.

Yeah, countless businesses have been bankrupt by the mistake of using standard screws that regular plebs to violate their warranties. Apple simply can afford to take that kind of risk, their margins are very tight as it is!

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Batteries which are soldered to the board instead of using a connector, motherboard is all one assembly including the keyboard, fewer ports, nothing user serviceable. That all seems like measures to make manufacturing easier from my perspective.

How is soldering components simpler than using connectors? It's more expensive for diminishing returns.

Connectors are also soldered as well and they add to the BOM costs.

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Did the free markets ended slavery in US or under-age working? I remember many good things had to be forced with laws and not let to be decided by the big companies.

> Did the free markets ended slavery in US In a very oblique manner it did. Industrialization (which was very much a product of free markets) of the Northern States made the economics of slavery untenable in the North. Once people were not as blinded by profits, they could actually see that slavery was a moral evil. In the South, the economics were very different and therefore a lot of rationalizations were formed as…

The mechanized cotton gin greatly increased the demand for slave labor in cotton fields.

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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I guess I believe in this "right to repair" movement, but only so far as to ensure that if you're capable of taking your device apart and putting it back together without breaking anything that you don't automatically void some warranty. I don't believe manufacturers should have to build things to be easy to take apart, to be replaceable or upgradeable, or anything else along those lines. I'd rather see legislation t…

I think you are misconstruing the aims of the right to repair movement. Its nothing to do with forcing companies to make it "easy" to repair, but rather about preventing companies from including "features" which serve no purpose besides preventing third party repair. An example would be a tractor that is designed to be cheaply serviceable, but has a feature which disables any replaced parts until a message signed by…

Where do you draw the line at repair-hostile vs. secure? I agree many things are hostile to repair, but let's take the new T2. It's awful for repair, but actually does have security benefits against evil maid attacks, a serious security risk. Stuff like this also applies to unrootable androids (a major pet peeve of mine).

I think we all would do well to remember that it's always easier to say something is wrong than to create a solution. It's also worth noting that governments are arguably worse than anyone else at determining such edge cases as secure vs. user-hostile.

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I think you are misconstruing the aims of the right to repair movement. Its nothing to do with forcing companies to make it "easy" to repair, but rather about preventing companies from including "features" which serve no purpose besides preventing third party repair. An example would be a tractor that is designed to be cheaply serviceable, but has a feature which disables any replaced parts until a message signed by…

Where do you draw the line at repair-hostile vs. secure? I agree many things are hostile to repair, but let's take the new T2. It's awful for repair, but actually does have security benefits against evil maid attacks, a serious security risk. Stuff like this also applies to unrootable androids (a major pet peeve of mine). I think we all would do well to remember that it's always easier to say something is wrong than…

A device is repair hostile if repairing requires the permission of a third party instead of the device owner.

Security is different because a device can be made secure without it being repair hostile - e.g, the owner of the device has the private keys in a signed code update. So a maid can't just Willy Nilly change your baby monitor, but you can.

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Where do you draw the line at repair-hostile vs. secure? I agree many things are hostile to repair, but let's take the new T2. It's awful for repair, but actually does have security benefits against evil maid attacks, a serious security risk. Stuff like this also applies to unrootable androids (a major pet peeve of mine). I think we all would do well to remember that it's always easier to say something is wrong than…

A device is repair hostile if repairing requires the permission of a third party instead of the device owner. Security is different because a device can be made secure without it being repair hostile - e.g, the owner of the device has the private keys in a signed code update. So a maid can't just Willy Nilly change your baby monitor, but you can.

> has the private keys

How do you store these? It's not really user friendly for the average consumer, and certainly has little recourse if you lose them all. How well does it usually go when people are told to keep track of, say, a dongle? What if each device needs one?

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That machine was a engineering beauty. very well thought out.

It really was, it still looks better than the vast majority of modern PC cases with better build quality, the bigger ones all seem to be some variant of "How many RGB's can we shove in this" with flimsy plastic and sharp edges. I went with one of these in the end https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/Categories/Products/Cases/Carb... because it's a box to put bits in, no fuss, no muss no RGB.

my last computer i built i went with a fractal design case and couldn't be happier really. they make excellent cases. the drives are not in the main chamber so it is a completely void airflow design for the major components and all the routing is done nicely. really great design. That corsair one looks pretty nice for a standard layout case though.

https://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/define-ser...

edit: also it's laid out to be super silent and if you pair it with the right components it is quite.

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