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Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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Lots of the things people don't like about apple are likely just to make their manufacturing process simpler.

pentalobe screws?

Measure that make it harder (but not impossible) for users to disassemble their devices serves to avoid people doing accidental damage (and voiding their warrantee). It's possible to get a pentalobe screwdriver, and anyone not willing to get one probably has no business opening up an Apple product.

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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How do you feel about mandatory warranty periods? I see the requirement of repair manuals for a mass-produced product as a very similar thing, and both are justified as part of ensuring a fair bargain where you get what you paid for, not a device that randomly fails and wastes all the money you put into it.

> How do you feel about mandatory warranty periods? You know what you're getting when you buy the product. It's critically important to be able to say "no warranty whatsoever"; Open Source wouldn't exist without that, and neither would the (still quite small) open hardware community. Nor, for that matter, would small hardware manufacturers. (I do feel that you should always be legally allowed to try repairing somethi…

> You know what you're getting when you buy the product.

No you don't. That's most of the point of warranties.

> Open Source

Sharing source code isn't a sale. If you do sell a program, open/closed source doesn't matter, and you don't need the ability to say "no warranty".

> open hardware community. Nor, for that matter, would small hardware manufacturers.

If you make more than a thousand of something, you have the resources to include a few diagrams and a simple but useful manual. For now I won't say anything about smaller quantities.

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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I'm old enough to remember the days of the "cheese grater" Power Mac/Mac Pro, when Apple would explicitly call attention to how expandable and user-serviceable a case they'd designed for it. How times change!

I still think that the "cheese grater" was the pinnacle of apple desktop design (and I've never owned a mac), I just love it - enough that I damn near bought a broken one to use to build my new PC in the end laziness won and I went corsair but it's still an amazing piece of industrial design.

If by 'pinnacle of apple design design' you mean actively user hostile, then yeah!

The handles on that thing were rough.

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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> Making something that’s easy to take apart often makes it bigger, because interfaces need to be modularized. So, you can still make it mandatory where you don't need to make things bigger?

But who decides? There is going to be a ministry of "did it need to be so compact?" staffed by disinterested experts? I'd love more things to be fixable but this kind of micro-management sounds terrifying.

That's the opposite of what the comment meant. The suggestion is that where it doesn't change the size/quality you mandate easier disassembly. Next to zero subjectivity.

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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You can absolutely have a cryptographically secure hardware chain that you can replace parts on. Just require that root keys get wiped on a part swap.

Ok, but you now have an iPhone that can leak your fingerprint or face data, or make it easy to pull credit card information off of. When that happens, will consumers (and the media!) blame Apple for making an insecure phone or the repair store for using untrusted hardware?

That all got wiped when you swapped parts. How does it leak now?

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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> Making something that’s easy to take apart often makes it bigger, because interfaces need to be modularized. So, you can still make it mandatory where you don't need to make things bigger?

But who decides? There is going to be a ministry of "did it need to be so compact?" staffed by disinterested experts? I'd love more things to be fixable but this kind of micro-management sounds terrifying.

> But who decides?

Well, I dunno, but that's a question with every law, and thus not exactly an argument by itself?

> I'd love more things to be fixable but this kind of micro-management sounds terrifying.

But why would there need to be micro-management?

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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Ok, but you now have an iPhone that can leak your fingerprint or face data, or make it easy to pull credit card information off of. When that happens, will consumers (and the media!) blame Apple for making an insecure phone or the repair store for using untrusted hardware?

That all got wiped when you swapped parts. How does it leak now?

Because you set it up again?

Re: Internal Documents Show Apple Is Capable of Implementing Right to Repair

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I guess I believe in this "right to repair" movement, but only so far as to ensure that if you're capable of taking your device apart and putting it back together without breaking anything that you don't automatically void some warranty. I don't believe manufacturers should have to build things to be easy to take apart, to be replaceable or upgradeable, or anything else along those lines. I'd rather see legislation t…

> automatically void some warranty.

That's already illegal[0] in the US. However that won't stop companies from from telling 99.9% of its customers that aren't aware of the law, that their warranty is void.

[0] Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act

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