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Yann LeCun, Geoffrey Hinton and Yoshua Bengio win Turing Award

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Post by tomtung »

luminati wrote: post #129

The Chinese must be furious. I was at a local government plenary session at Chengdu (long story) a couple of year back. The lead speaker kept waxing about how China invented and contributed AI to the world. I mentioned some points about about China's AI contributions/influence : 0. Algorithms -> The OGs as celebrated by this Turing Award (Canadian, but mostly led by American universities. On thing I did mention was d…

Chinese here. Can't help but amused by the assumed antagonism.

Me and my friends who also work in this field are generally excited about ML/AI getting more recognition from the CS community at large btw.

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Post by masko »

amelius wrote: post #109

And we still don't know if/how biological brains perform backpropagation. Perhaps we should consider calling NNs "weight networks" instead.

Yeah that might be a better name. Sometimes it's called a "computation graph", since that's exactly what it really is. A network of nodes computing weights and derivatives based off inputs and/or outputs.

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Post by scienceyang »

amelius wrote: post #39
nabla9 wrote: post #36

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They don't deserve science award because they didn't do science or pioneer anything. They just responded to demand. They have been awarded with money. It was the high performance scientific computing community that started to use graphics cards to perform matrix computations in the early 2000's. The term GPGPU term was invented. GPU programming pain in the ass in early 2000's. Nvidia saw some markets in GPGPU's for s…

> They don't deserve science award because they didn't do science or pioneer anything. NVidia didn't do science? It depends on what you call science (math and computer science are not "science" according to a very strict definition involving falsifiability). But in any case, an enormous amount of research went into the development of GPUs. It's not just engineering work. Lots of PhD (students) contributed.

good point, I think awards should go to NVidia

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Post by sytelus »

luminati wrote: post #129

The Chinese must be furious. I was at a local government plenary session at Chengdu (long story) a couple of year back. The lead speaker kept waxing about how China invented and contributed AI to the world. I mentioned some points about about China's AI contributions/influence : 0. Algorithms -> The OGs as celebrated by this Turing Award (Canadian, but mostly led by American universities. On thing I did mention was d…

This is really quite silly. You have no idea how much of recent AI innovations and breakthroughs are coming from China. Many of the top AI conferences these days have quarter to half of the accepted papers originating from China. I am not even counting tremendous amount of contribution in all of above from the first generation Chinese living outside China.

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Post by [deleted] »

tassl wrote: post #97
nabla9 wrote: post #33

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Schmidhuber's significance in the field is not at the same level. He invented one type of neural network, but the "Canadian mafia" launched the whole Deep Learning revolution with multiple breakthroughs and theoretical understanding. LSTM's are clever and they were bleeding edge up to 2014, but once they were understood better as a bypass mechanism, attention, context vectors and averaging networks and causal convolu…

"Schmidhuber's significance in the field is not at the same level" Out of curiosity, at the same level as any of the other three? I could see it from Hinton, maybe LeCunn, but Bengio?

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Post by ignoramous »

BucketSort wrote: post #123
tw1010 wrote: post #71

Do you think (HN) that this incentive boost will mean more people who're working on fringe risky ideas will get the energy and persistence to keep going? Will we see a bump in 10 or so years of innovations coming from people who would have otherwise given up (had this award not been given)? Hard to measure of course, but what's your hunch?

If anything it's demotivating. Other people that have also contributed greatly were just ignored by this award. While those that received the award were mostly represented by big corps Facebook(LeCun) and Google(Hinton) -- even though these three are deserving as well, especially Hinton. Awards like this are quite stupid. The award isn't even based on a single breakthrough, but on their "collective achievement." This…

> Other people that have also contributed greatly were just ignored by this award.

Curious: Apart from Jurgen Schmidhuber, who else do you think were left out and why do you think so?

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Post by ousta »

myaccount80 wrote: post #141
jlgray wrote: post #122

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Science and technology are generally agnostic to their usage, and will be used to both positive and negative ends whose magnitude is proportional to the power of the underlying technology.* AI has the potential for massive positive effects as well as massive negative effects. What saddens me is that we have systems and incentives in place which encourage governments and corporations to use powerful technologies to ne…

But LeCunn still works for Facebook. I don’t understand why such a smart person should spend his time working for such a company.

are you serious? there is no way to do research on massive amounts of data at the public level anymore. if you want to change things its in the private. + money is also good

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Post by backpropaganda »

mostafab wrote: post #139
srean wrote: post #116

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But is PR what Turing award is for though ?

PR is what awards are all about

PR is what all science is about. Without communicating ideas, science is not useful. The trio above managed to communicate deep learning ideas to the wider vision and NLP community such as by collaborating with them to come up with benchmarks which would prove usefulness of deep learning, but also to industry and general public. Schmidhuber did very little on these fronts, and even his technical contributions while laudable do not compare with the awardee's.
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