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Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal (1982)

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Re: Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal (1982)

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Kids these days do a lot of disgusting things. They don't know how to write their own linker scripts, read assembly, or code in a real man's language (C). They think dynamic typing is "fun" and "productive". They don't even know how to manage threads or memory and use entire megabytes of RAM to send messages to each other using an inferior version of irc. Primarily they constantly waste precious cycles, eat quiche, a…

s/quiche/avocado\ toast

can't even terminate s command.

Re: Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal (1982)

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> Real Programmers use FORTRAN. Ahem. No. Real Programmers use machine code. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html

The story features a programmer who coded in hexadecimal. It sounds a little apocryphal, but I worked with such a man myself – Tim Paterson, the creator of QDOS, which became MS-DOS. At the time he was on the Visual Basic compiler team at Microsoft, and I would go into his office while he was looking at hex dumps, which he found faster than reading disassembly.

I haven't thought of this in years. Sr Engineer wanted me to build a 'chamber simulator'. IE simulates a pressure chamber with a bunch of valves and interlocks.

Wanted me to implement it with analog circuits and jungle logic.

I went fuck that and hand built a board with an 8051. Wrote the program in assembly on paper. Hand translated it to hex. And then used a hex editor to generate the hex file. Which I used to burn the epprom. Took two days to debug it.

Re: Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal (1982)

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This document was written towards one end of my life. I wonder if I look as dated as it does.

Probably. Even your name is out of date. There aren’t that many people named Tom anymore.

Your name seems to imply you monitor for Tom all day and then pounce on him in forums. Is this true?

Re: Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal (1982)

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> Real Programmers use FORTRAN. Ahem. No. Real Programmers use machine code. http://www.catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html

A real programmer can write FORTRAN 77 in any language. Actual thing. Friend of mine is retired black female programmer who mentioned hot patching assembly on IBM mainframes back in the late 60's.

What is the relevance of her being black & female to the anecdote?

Re: Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal (1982)

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Real programmers don't actually use any language, as their time is best spent in forums and chat rooms arguing with non-real (integer?) programmers why they aren't real programmers.

Actually, integers are a subset of the real numbers. I think you mean complex numbers with a non-zero imaginary component.

I'm so used to talking data types I forgot in math you're absolutely correct!

Cooncidentally in Pascal, real and integer are the names of two numeric data types.

Re: Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal (1982)

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Kids these days do a lot of disgusting things. They don't know how to write their own linker scripts, read assembly, or code in a real man's language (C). They think dynamic typing is "fun" and "productive". They don't even know how to manage threads or memory and use entire megabytes of RAM to send messages to each other using an inferior version of irc. Primarily they constantly waste precious cycles, eat quiche, a…

This reminds me of the famous quote by Socrates: “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and…

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Re: Real Programmers Don't Use Pascal (1982)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of the famous quote by Socrates: “The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and…

Sorry. https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/

You should clarify in the text of your comment that the quote is apocryphal, as not everyone will click your link.
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