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Also, elections are coming. 23-26.5.2019. Their electorate remembers, and will send them packing.
Jokes' on the electorates. They probably don't even know who's representing them in the EU councils.
I'm not a citizen of an EU member state. But from an outside perspective, a significant number of MEPs "accidentally voting the wrong way" seems to indicate a severe and systemic problem with the European Parliament. Failure of one the fundamental mechanisms of representative democratic government calls into question the legitimacy of that government, and of that system of government. This is ammunition for the advoc…
Out of all the alternatives it gives ammo to, those advocating for more local, directly democratic governance have been receiving the lions share compared to those advocating alternative authoritarian schemes.
I'm not a citizen of an EU member state. But from an outside perspective, a significant number of MEPs "accidentally voting the wrong way" seems to indicate a severe and systemic problem with the European Parliament. Failure of one the fundamental mechanisms of representative democratic government calls into question the legitimacy of that government, and of that system of government. This is ammunition for the advoc…
I agree that these endemic procedural messes reveal that core parts of the EU may be illiberal, overly federalized, and could use reform. But how is acknowledging its weaknesses ammunition for illiberal systems in general? Out of all the alternatives it gives ammo to, those advocating for more local, directly democratic governance have been receiving the lions share compared to those advocating alternative authoritar…
Inside of Europe, I'm thinking about Viktor Orbán and Vladimir Putin. Outside, I'm thinking about Xi Jinping.
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If it was like this, then laws and regulations would have no real value and no authority whatsoever.
have you watched a video of how they vote? it's a complete joke, it goes so fast the interpreters can't keep up and people end up making constant mistakes https://youtu.be/zLh9DMuetm4?t=58
I'm not a citizen of an EU member state. But from an outside perspective, a significant number of MEPs "accidentally voting the wrong way" seems to indicate a severe and systemic problem with the European Parliament. Failure of one the fundamental mechanisms of representative democratic government calls into question the legitimacy of that government, and of that system of government. This is ammunition for the advoc…
Perhaps calling into question the legitimacy of democracy is a good thing? Indeed, why is it legitimate to violate an individual's liberties through a vote of 50% + 1 of her peers?
Edit: I'll echo the peer comment that a reasonable compromise could be smaller units of government, which better represent the people. Smaller states also the limit the scope of abuse of the people within and the threat to people without.
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it's possible, but there are votes in different directions. It's also possible some just understood the question incorrectly or confused it with something else, not just "misclicked". Without knowing how often this happens in other votings it's hard to tell if this is unusual.
It's also possible some just understood the question incorrectly or confused it with something else There are a couple of explanations being floated. First of all there where two votes, not just one, and if you wanted to vote 'correctly' against A13 you had to vote NO on the first vote and YES on the second (or vice versa to support A13), The people who voted 'wrong' voted either NO to both or YES to both. Secondly a…
But you would never say this about an engineering system. If you had to make a series of poorly-marked binary choices in a certain order to correctly deploy a bugfix, and someone got that wrong, the postmortem would be about what a terrible UI that is and how it has to be changed to improve system reliability. An operator making an easy-to-make mistake would never be considered "at fault".
That's how we treat things that really matter for websites. Voting in parliament is a lot more important than that. I'd rather see a real postmortem and plan for improvement, not blaming the users.
I'm wondering if Article 13 is a trick. The EU is probably afraid of right-wing/Euroskeptics winning big in the coming elections. How to get the youth vote? Well, what about threatening their beloved Internet?
Anyway, yes, I think it's a trick, but not in the way we anticipated. There's a ton of weird language about collective licensing and collective licensing management organisations. For the most part it seems to revolve around ensuring that libraries and archives have access to what ever they need to do their job. A lot of places on the other hand it seems to be something that anyone can make use of. So if you want to make a streaming service, with old Hollywood movie and licensing the movies are impossible or prohibitively difficult, for example if it owner of the movie can't be tracked down, you can just license the movie from the collective licensing management organisation in your EU state. Or license a whole bunch of movies in one go, because licensing the right individually seems to fall under "prohibitively difficult".
I don't know, I can't read legalese, but it seems that there's a bunch of stuff that allows for easier licensing deals across Europe and I think that's what the EU is really going for. Breaking large parts of the web is just collateral damage.
Really, some lawyer need to translate this into something we can all read and understand.
It's not unlikely that at least some of them claim it was a mistake to avoid taking responsibility for their vote because they're aware of how unpopular it was. After being in parliament for at least ~5 years, it's hard to believe so many of them still haven't figured out how the voting works.
Votes are only announced by the president which calls them in his or her native language then translated into all other languages. Quite often translators aren’t able to keep up leading to numerous errors in voting.
Well fuck me.