MEPs ladies and gents: they are either stupid or corrupt.
MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law
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Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law
#12MEPs ladies and gents: they are either stupid or corrupt.
or both...
Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law
#13I'm wondering if Article 13 is a trick. The EU is probably afraid of right-wing/Euroskeptics winning big in the coming elections. How to get the youth vote? Well, what about threatening their beloved Internet?
Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law
#14I'm wondering if Article 13 is a trick. The EU is probably afraid of right-wing/Euroskeptics winning big in the coming elections. How to get the youth vote? Well, what about threatening their beloved Internet?
How would that work? The 'youth' makes up a large part of the supporters of these parties you're referencing. Also in many cases these parties oppose Article 13 so this isn't in any way bad for them.
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#1513 MEPs accidently woted wrongly. Well, how often such accidents happen in the parliament? Was it actually an accident or it's just a way to recover their faces in front of their voters?
Also not all of them corrected from Yes to No, some went the other way
Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
it's possible, but there are votes in different directions. It's also possible some just understood the question incorrectly or confused it with something else, not just "misclicked". Without knowing how often this happens in other votings it's hard to tell if this is unusual.
It's also possible some just understood the question incorrectly or confused it with something else There are a couple of explanations being floated. First of all there where two votes, not just one, and if you wanted to vote 'correctly' against A13 you had to vote NO on the first vote and YES on the second (or vice versa to support A13), The people who voted 'wrong' voted either NO to both or YES to both. Secondly a…
> But basically a bunch of MEPs just didn't think it was that important to pay attention to the details, phoned it in, and screwed up badly.
Indeed. Epicenter.works published a table[1] to make it easier for people unfamiliar with the voting system to follow along. It uses the same template that the MEPs use, except with the "Vote" section filled in from the perspective of someone against Art. 11/13. This might make it easier to understand why this mistake could happen but it seems clear enough that, if you're actually paying attention, you could avoid mistakes on such an important issue.
[1] https://epicenter.works/sites/default/files/copyright_dsm_fi... (PDF)
Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law
#1713 MEPs accidently woted wrongly. Well, how often such accidents happen in the parliament? Was it actually an accident or it's just a way to recover their faces in front of their voters?
I've seen it happen virtually EVERY TIME there is a big controversial law. It's more of a rule than a coincidence.
Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law
#18What a surprise. Politicians step out of their bubble to find out that people hate the laws their sponsors are pushing and try to backpedal.
Also, elections are coming. 23-26.5.2019. Their electorate remembers, and will send them packing.
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#19It's not unlikely that at least some of them claim it was a mistake to avoid taking responsibility for their vote because they're aware of how unpopular it was. After being in parliament for at least ~5 years, it's hard to believe so many of them still haven't figured out how the voting works.
I wonder if it's possible for a court to order a re-vote?
Re: MEPs accidentally vote wrong way on copyright law
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
it's possible, but there are votes in different directions. It's also possible some just understood the question incorrectly or confused it with something else, not just "misclicked". Without knowing how often this happens in other votings it's hard to tell if this is unusual.
It's also possible some just understood the question incorrectly or confused it with something else There are a couple of explanations being floated. First of all there where two votes, not just one, and if you wanted to vote 'correctly' against A13 you had to vote NO on the first vote and YES on the second (or vice versa to support A13), The people who voted 'wrong' voted either NO to both or YES to both. Secondly a…
> There are a couple of explanations being floated. First of all there where two votes, not just one, and if you wanted to vote 'correctly' against A13 you had to vote NO on the first vote and YES on the second (or vice versa to support A13), The people who voted 'wrong' voted either NO to both or YES to both.
I think it was the other way around actually. They first voted on whether to allow an last batch of amendments, which would have allowed separate voting on article 11 and 13 (and this vote failed by 5 votes). Then only after that they voted on the real deal.