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Did you read the part about 'Library Rules'? It's a cultural leap, but that would make all the difference. Christ, I'm sitting in an open plan office right now with two telephone conversations going on in my right ear. Thank the hardware overlords for headphones ...
That office plan, and 'Library Rules', are particularly stupid in a world of lack of thought. That is, it's worse than just not thinking about it at all. 3-5 people in the office at any given day? Just build offices, christ. One of the founders must have had a particular itch to scratch is all, and it has cost the company money so that they could have the worst of all worlds The 'Library Rules' are dumb because one o…
Open-plan office is the worst. Why can't we kill it?
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#82Because maximizing local task performance ≠ maximizing group task performance.
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I think there's also a cargo cult mentality that is really hard to deal with. Many successful companies today started on a shoestring, where the money saved by cramming everyone into the same space allowed the company to grow headcount quickly, and it is really hard to separate the things that contributed to the company's success from the incidentals that arose from its founding.
Do the 400k+ engineers at Google still work in open office elbow to elbow?
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I like bantering and chatting too, but I definitely don’t think it’s that conducive towards me being a productive engineer. Sometimes it’s nice being able to freely walk about and bounce ideas off others, and I’m sure this has resulted in some positive benefits, but 70+% of the time I really just need to go heads down on something and not be distracted. Always being near people who are talking is very distracting. As…
The open-plan areas at my company are kept limited in size. Our area seats about a max of 14 people and right now we have 10 people. Everyone has their own movable standing desk and the company provides pretty good noise-cancelling headphones if you want. Given the limited amount of people and decent sized area, there is a good amount of space between desks and the noise level never really gets that high since there…
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#85This article nails it: > Open offices clearly suck. So why are you (most likely) still working in one? Behind all the fluff, there is a simple explanation: they save insane amounts of money. In the beginning, there was a lot of talk about open offices producing more collaborative environments, and I'm willing to give this charitable credence and believe that some people might really have thought that at the time. It…
Also, being honest, I'd totally waste more time browsing the news if I had my own office.
The key is:
1. Have plenty of space per person. We have big desks and are only at about 60% occupancy at the moment.
2. Don't make the offices enormous. I'd say never more than 100 people in one room. Ideally less.
3. Good acoustics. Carpets are essential.
I used to work for Dyson and they had 1000 people (no joke, I counted) in one enormous office (actually it was a repurposed factory building) with no sound absorbing material at all and it was awful. Current company is just insanely better.
The only issue I have is there is one guy with a really loud and penetrating voice... But it's not a deal breaker.
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#86Tech support has a cubicle layout, but they are big cubes and assigned to each person. There's no sharing even across shifts.
In other departments, each team has a "pod". You enter through a swinging door from the hallway into the pod. Inside, you find a conference room with conference table, whiteboard, and TV for shared viewing of code, project boards, or presentations. Around the conference room are individual offices, up to ten or so of them, mostly with sliding doors. A few offices have swinging doors. The offices are big enough for a desk, filing cabinet, bookcase, and a visitor's chair or a small couch/futon. Not every office is on the outside of the building, but they all have windows at the top to get at least some reflected natural daylight.
There are bigger conference rooms for bigger meetings, but a team can meet whenever without going searching for a room. They can have a hack session together or pair program right there in the pod. There's a break room on each floor. Besides drinks and snacks, the break rooms have power outlets, bar-style seating counters, tables, chairs for both heights, and great wifi coverage for anyone who wants to work in a more open environment or catch more hallway chatter.
Yes, the company had to expressly ask the architects for this layout. Yes, the architects originally thought our management was crazy. From what I've heard now the architecture firm has office pods and promotes the idea for their other clients.
Management also specified mostly redundant hospital-grade air handling systems that turn over the air in the building several times per day. We get not just minimum and maximum temperatures and humidity monitored and handled, but oxygen/carbon dioxide balance, too. There's no more drowsy afternoon mental fog from a literal lack of oxygen which many offices suffer.
The last time I interviewed with some Bay area companies, they tried to convince me that there are enough conference rooms to just duck into to get some peace and quiet. That, I think, defeats whatever purpose beyond being cheap that open offices are supposed to serve. I also think if you have enough extra rooms that are never booked that people can do this, you might as well put teams in those rooms instead of in a corral.
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#88I have my own office. Very happy with this! Everyone where I work has an office, so not that special here. Where I worked before I fought tooth and nail to get an office, by the time I was leaving I had the smallest office in the building crammed in with 2 others, while other (non-developers) had offices twice as big all for themselves. Management wanted to cram 10 people into an office space the size of the office f…
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#89No wonder I quit and started my own firm. I get hives just thinking about that.
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Do the 400k+ engineers at Google still work in open office elbow to elbow?
Yes. Even directors don't really have offices. I know at least one VP who doesn't have an office.
More and more, I'm glad I never took Google up on their interest in me. They absolutely have the money for real private offices, even in their expensive location.