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Fifty Women Say Salesforce Helped Sex Traffickers Exploit Them

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Re: Fifty Women Say Salesforce Helped Sex Traffickers Exploit Them

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Big data will be used to identify, track, isolate, and then indoctrinate the most vulnerable members of society. You will be shadow banned and gas lit into a pipeline that serves to supply the insidious demands of those who see humans only as resources. We coders will unwittingly(poorly compensated) or wittingly(well compensated) algorithmically functionalize the pimp psychology and business practice into a system of…

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Re: Fifty Women Say Salesforce Helped Sex Traffickers Exploit Them

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Should we also allow Microsoft to be sued for all the criminals that use windows? Salesforce is a platform (albeit a horrible one I never want to work with again) and provides services to whoever pays. Illegal actions are between the local government and the user.

Criminals lie. They could claim to be a humanitarian company while trafficking. The only way for Salesforce to know would be to manually investigate all their stored data. Not only is that practically impossible, but it would also ruin them. Business information is private.

Then again, in lots of jurisdictions today, a landlord can be held liable for the tenant committing a crime. In these jurisdictions, if your tenant assaults someone on your property, you can be liable for millions in compensation. This is yet another way to drive former criminals back to crime. They aren't full citizens. They can't get a job to get money. They can't get a loan to buy a house. They can't even rent a place to stay because it's so risky. Since they've been effectively "unperson-ed", their only choice is going back to crime. At least if they're caught, they'll have food, healthcare, and a place to stay.

Stupid laws are stupid. If person A is legally responsible for person B's actions, they will necessarily start asserting control over person B's life. We do this to kids under the idea that they are too ignorant to know better. Why do we do this to mentally-capable adults? They are capable of independent decisions. Hold them responsible for their actions. Quit forcing Landlords, Salesforce, or whomever to play as parents and be legally responsible for other adults.

Re: Fifty Women Say Salesforce Helped Sex Traffickers Exploit Them

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Big data will be used to identify, track, isolate, and then indoctrinate the most vulnerable members of society. You will be shadow banned and gas lit into a pipeline that serves to supply the insidious demands of those who see humans only as resources. We coders will unwittingly(poorly compensated) or wittingly(well compensated) algorithmically functionalize the pimp psychology and business practice into a system of…

Really? What is there even to exploit, apart from such rather extreme cases as this alleged sex trafficking?

You really think the main use of BIG data will be to facilitate things like sex trafficking?

As for immigrants delivering food - would they be better off without these jobs? What would they be doing?

Re: Fifty Women Say Salesforce Helped Sex Traffickers Exploit Them

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anyone who's ever had to build anything on it. but yeah this smells like an attack.

Is Apex still a thing? When I was at my first internship that environment was one of the only things that has ever made me consider quitting programming.

Can you provide more details about "Apex"? Is this a staffing agency or a company? I'm also curious about what happened during your internship that made you consider a different career, if you don't mind and are able to share.

Re: Fifty Women Say Salesforce Helped Sex Traffickers Exploit Them

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

anyone who's ever had to build anything on it. but yeah this smells like an attack.

Is Apex still a thing? When I was at my first internship that environment was one of the only things that has ever made me consider quitting programming.

Yup.

a proper debugger is still not a thing.

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I wonder whom did Salesforce annoy enough to warrant a media smear campaign against them.

Benioff seems like a tool. He puts his name on children’s hospitals...it is possible to donate without people knowing, Keanu does it all the time. If you don’t hate Salesforce, you haven’t been paying attention. I’ve wanted forever to rid our company of anything to do with Salesforce, but I work with some people that can’t handle change. This law suit seems like a money grab. Go after the deepest pockets, but I perso…

Why do you care if someone wants to support childrens' hospitals? I personally think getting a building that could save the lives of children is worth putting a guy's name on that building.

Re: Fifty Women Say Salesforce Helped Sex Traffickers Exploit Them

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Since it wasn't mentioned in the bloomberg article, whoever has been paying attention knows that shutting down backpage has made sex workers less safe and more dependent on pimps. Prostitution should be completely legal and brought into the light, not pushed into the shadows.

Re: Fifty Women Say Salesforce Helped Sex Traffickers Exploit Them

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Apex still a thing? When I was at my first internship that environment was one of the only things that has ever made me consider quitting programming.

Can you provide more details about "Apex"? Is this a staffing agency or a company? I'm also curious about what happened during your internship that made you consider a different career, if you don't mind and are able to share.

Apex is salesforce’s programming language for everything you do in the back end.

It’s like a bare bones Java.

I’ve been working in salesforce for almost 10 years and apex still makes me question if I want to work in software every single day.

Re: Fifty Women Say Salesforce Helped Sex Traffickers Exploit Them

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I wonder whom did Salesforce annoy enough to warrant a media smear campaign against them.

They have the deepest pockets, that's their only crime. That's why the lawyers are targeting them with an absurd lawsuit in hopes that it will make them settle instead of the bad publicity.
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