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If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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"In other countries with universal healthcare [...]" Not sure where you live or where you've been too, but you make some sweeping arguments about dozens of countries. Mostly everything you say is wrong about Germany (>65% taxation, no private insurance, share room with 5 people, treatments in your room, toilet not in the room, uneatable food, ...).

Germany is one of the five countries, and it has the lowest taxes among them. The rest are Austria and Scandinavian countries where total taxation rate approaches 70% all things factored in (I'm counting indirect taxes as well). Isn't it interesting that the best healthcare system in the world is entirely privatized, in Switzerland?

You can add Australia and New Zealand to that list too.

Both have amazing public/private systems, where everyone has access to public healthcare, and if you want to pay the extra money, you can go private. They also have (very affordable and fair) health insurance if you want that extra security.

The public hospitals are fine in both countries, you'll get the critical care you need, when you need it. There aren't people dying of cancer because the government can't afford treatment. Sure, it's a bit slow for non-essential and elective treatment (e.g. a hip replacement or other corrective surgery), but it does get done eventually and as I said you can always go private, which is a lot cheaper than the USA, as they have to compete with free healthcare.

I'm really not sure why you keep quoting total taxation as some kind of negative point regarding countries with universal healthcare and functioning social welfare systems? Quality of life, both for individuals and for the whole population is a much more important measure.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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A truly American story, basically the only developed country in the world where you can be bankrupted from getting sick.

It's just so mind boggling to me that there's people in the USA who are literally dying of cancer because they simply can't afford to pay for treatment, and there's a significant percentage of the population that think it's not only normal but entirely acceptable. The whole concept just seems so completely foreign to here in Australia.

In contrast, I have a friend who immigrated to Australia about a year ago and isn't even on a permanent residency, but still gets full treatment for their cancer for free, just like any Australian citizen would.

The very idea that your survival is entirely dictated by your financial circumstances sounds like it's straight out of some dystopian fiction to me. That was the entire plot of Elysium, wasn't it?

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Everyone is always above money until they’re looking at a stack of it in front of them. The only folks I know that have the willpower to turn down a pile of money is someone who has their eyes set on a mountain of money.

Some people have burned it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Foundation#The_K_Foundation_...

Proves my point. He burned it in front of a freelance reporter and filmed it. Then released a film about it.

Sacrifice a small pile of money to try making a bigger pile. There are smarter ways, but making more was the intent.

If it wasn’t the intent, it would have been done in private.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Some people have burned it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Foundation#The_K_Foundation_...

I prefer what https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineapple_Fund did with their unexpected fortune.

They gave away money, in the public light, to attract more donations... to take off the top. More donations, more “top” to take from. Just because it was bitcoin, doesn’t mean they aren’t human. I think the past few years of bitcoin has proven that bitcoin isn’t magically immune to human corruption.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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post #51

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You are downvoted because you generalize your experience to every country except a vague set of 5... What you are saying is simply not true in most of Europe. Case in point, last year I have been treated for some serious health issue that would have immediately bankrupted me in the USA, forever. I was in the network of Charité Berlin, one of the biggest hospitals in Europe. The treatment and care was overall fantasti…

You might qualify your argument by clarifying that you're basing your argument on the idea that you wouldn't have had private insurance in the US and that you believe there is no healthcare in the US outside of private insurance. The first is probably incorrect unless you're totally unemployed as most employers in the US provide private health insurance, and the second is truly incorrect as the vast majority of those…

As far as I can see, no private insurance would take me - it is a clear loss. Furthermore, it does not seem I would qualify for Medicaid nor Medicare (from reading the wikipedia article). As for employment insurance - in the USA I would certainly not be employed except the company is uncharacteristically nice. Because in the USA, you can kick anyone out, especially someone who just spends months in the hospital. Or is that not true? So how do you imagine I would be insured then?

Again, I have to ask because I don't know, but are you saying all the news reports of where exactly the above happens to people are fake? There were many reports where people DID HAVE some insurance by their employers, but when it came to a long and expensive treatment, insurance refused to pay, or they lost their job very fast. Would you say these issues do not occur, or occur very infrequently? Are the people on this board, who say they are afraid of losing their insurance coverage due to job-loss wrong?

If you propose that I get treated and the costs are written off, that still means I would have to declare bankruptcy and ruin my live further. Because it's not that I do not have any money, or minimal savings. It's just that the extend, complexity and length of the treatment leads to costs that can not be payed by a normal person, including pretty much any normal percentage of the costs.

And then, personally, I'd also doubt that I would actually receive that treatment if I can not pay. You say people you don't let die, but this is a multi-year treatment and it would be apparent after the first week that I can not pay for it. There is a difference in long term health and survival by the quality and frequency of long term treatments over many years. Would a private, for business organization really do this for my benefit? Like, experts would treat me for years in a top institution in the country, even though I pay nothing? Really? Or would they rather just do the minimum to get rid of any immediate danger and then release me?

And where do you see the advantage? Here, I still got the best treatment you could ask for (top experts, newest equipment, good facilities), and I was able to continue my life without being bankrupt.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Everyone is always above money until they’re looking at a stack of it in front of them. The only folks I know that have the willpower to turn down a pile of money is someone who has their eyes set on a mountain of money.

The way you tell it everybody has some moment in life where they're confronted by a pile of cash and then their true nature is revealed (conveniently letting greedy people everywhere say "hey you see you're just as base and materialistic as I am"). But in real life many people show their basic disinterest in money simply by choosing to do things and pursue activities that have no financial incentive. So in fact most…

Are there truly folks “above” money? I believe so.

But not a single one is or wants to be in the public light. Ever.

The same drive that lends someone to desire public attention, also drives the want of money.

So if there’s a public statement about “oh, I don’t care about money. I’m just going to give it all away.” I smell bullshit. Sounds more like trying to gain sympathy purchases.

Nothing against dwarf fortress or these guys. But I’m sick of the tech high and mighty bullshit that everyone’s good saints with no desire of money. The more someone says they’re good little Boy Scouts, the more dirty they are.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany is one of the five countries, and it has the lowest taxes among them. The rest are Austria and Scandinavian countries where total taxation rate approaches 70% all things factored in (I'm counting indirect taxes as well). Isn't it interesting that the best healthcare system in the world is entirely privatized, in Switzerland?

And Czechia? Slovakia? Poland?

These are the ones I have 20 years of experience with. Want more stories? I have friends working in healthcare, you wouldn't believe what they say.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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DF seems amazing but the learning curve is so steep it's discouraging. I've yet to find a base building game that feels fair and does not put so much pressure on the player. Tried Prison Architect but my prison got burnt to the ground because guards were on strike (and they announced it 3 hours before while it takes 5 hours to be able to offer them a raise). Tried Oxygen Not Included but the water behaves SO erratica…

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Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might qualify your argument by clarifying that you're basing your argument on the idea that you wouldn't have had private insurance in the US and that you believe there is no healthcare in the US outside of private insurance. The first is probably incorrect unless you're totally unemployed as most employers in the US provide private health insurance, and the second is truly incorrect as the vast majority of those…

As far as I can see, no private insurance would take me - it is a clear loss. Furthermore, it does not seem I would qualify for Medicaid nor Medicare (from reading the wikipedia article). As for employment insurance - in the USA I would certainly not be employed except the company is uncharacteristically nice. Because in the USA, you can kick anyone out, especially someone who just spends months in the hospital. Or i…

If you're arguing that you'd be fired because you got sick in the US, that's not likely accurate -- certainly not accurate in terms of any professional job. Every company I've worked for has short term and long term disability insurance along with health insurance as well, and while most of the US is right to work it's also not normal to fire someone just because they have medical issues.

Yes, as we've seen in the last few days, nearly everything you see in the "news" reports from the US is heavily biased. There are no longer any unbiased media who report facts -- they all report the bias they want to push, and this particular bias is very popular among a large sector of those who want the US to convert to a socialist economy (which not coincidentally lines up with most of the US media's political views).

Don't base your ideas on wikipedia. Here's the source: https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/eligibility/index.html. Bottom line, if you don't have the money to afford medical care you will almost certainly be covered by medicaid -- now even including pre-existing conditions. In that regard, the US already has the socialized medicine system people want -- those who want it changed simply want all private insurance removed because they don't like its existence. It's not properly socialistic enough that some have good private insurance and others have public insurance. Of course those arguing this the loudest are congressmen and women covered by one of the best insurance plans in the country.

Your experience -- treatment by top experts and such in a socialized medical system is highly a-typical. You would likely not get that anywhere else on the planet, including all the other socialized medicine countries. It is not normal for socialized medicine to provide that level of care anywhere.

There are a lot of caveats to all of this, it doesn't all work perfectly. None of what I'm arguing is meant to claim the US has a perfect health care system -- we don't. There's a lot of room for improvement, but let's have the discussion from a foundation of facts instead of left-wing talking points.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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DF seems amazing but the learning curve is so steep it's discouraging. I've yet to find a base building game that feels fair and does not put so much pressure on the player. Tried Prison Architect but my prison got burnt to the ground because guards were on strike (and they announced it 3 hours before while it takes 5 hours to be able to offer them a raise). Tried Oxygen Not Included but the water behaves SO erratica…

If you want something more simpler you might want to try the Anno 1701. It has a slower relaxing pace, with rich visuals. But like factorio(I think) it is fully deterministic ie(crops once planted will never fail, crop yeild is exactly same in all farms at all times etc, etc..), which I do not like.
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