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If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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No, you can lose your job or means of making money in some countries, but you can't get bankrupted by paying for treatment in countries with universal healthcare (or even close to it). Most developed countries also have some measures of social security in cases where you lose your job so that even that is rare.

There are just a few (under 5) countries in the world where you will get the same treatment for "free" as you'd get in the US. The price is >65% taxation. In most of these "universal healthcare" countries, it's not that easy - a healthcare "insurance" is deducted from your wage, if you don't work, you have to pay it out of pocket (mandatory, but cheap - around $100 monthly). Social security programmes are useful just…

You are downvoted because you generalize your experience to every country except a vague set of 5... What you are saying is simply not true in most of Europe.

Case in point, last year I have been treated for some serious health issue that would have immediately bankrupted me in the USA, forever.

I was in the network of Charité Berlin, one of the biggest hospitals in Europe. The treatment and care was overall fantastic. Yes, usually it seems the universal healthcare moves slowly. But once I was diagnosed, things _kicked_ in, let me tell you. The operation was brought on within days, insurance immediately got out of the way, the aftercare and radiation was scheduled immediately - things just went automatic. There were no 5-people hospital rooms and of course every room had a bath and toilet - what are you talking about? The facilities and rooms were all top notch. Moreover, the doctors involved were Professors and otherwise top experts in the entire field, treating hundreds of tough cases every year.

And you know what I payed? Nothing.

Again, in the USA, all the operations, radiation treatment, medicine, expensive machinery used and months in the hospital... It would have cost literal millions. I probably simply would have DIED because I could never afford it. Here, however, I had close to the optimal (and positive!) experience that one could have in such a situation.

So yes, if you have a common cold, you will probably get less "treatment" on public than on private insurance.

But - from my experience - when you get seriously ill, the amount of ressources, personell and technology that hospitals like Charité can and will bring to bear to save your life, at no cost to you, borders on ridiculous. Seriously I often felt uncomfortable because of the amount of care. Those people seriously wanted to make sure I don't die, even though I am not important, don't have money and certainly not private insurance. This includes hospital staff AND the people from the public insurance.

For the latter, I expected a lot of resistance to the cost - like a private insurance would do. Them trying to minimize the treatment. Instead, the people at the insurance immediately "stamped" everything, and even me asking timidly about the costs was met with non-comprehension. It was pretty clear, when things get serious, the public insurance officials care about your life, no matter how much you pay.

Sorry but I feel rather passionate about this, and might I even say that I actually prefer public insurance for that reason. No where else would I have been important enough to live.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Yeah, the idea of it is attractive, and learning the crazy UI is half the fun, but once you really get into it you realize that there is no there there. It's nowhere near as complex as it seems, and full of bugs, some decades old. Trade is so easily exploited that there is nothing exciting about the elves coming. You can kill them and start a war, but the combat is so unbalanced and exploitable that they pose no thre…

DF is a "create your own fun" kind of game. If you try to play in an "optimal" way by exploiting the ridiculous trade values of some items and giving your fortress just one entrance with a drawbridge you won't have as much fun indeed. The solution is to simply not do that and set your own rules and goals. I'd even say that trade and combat being exploitable is a feature, not a bug, since sometimes I simply don't want…

>DF is a "create your own fun" kind of game.

That's exactly why i stopped playing Elite Dangerous, devs making empty universes and all the fan boys saying to make your own fun.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Some people have burned it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Foundation#The_K_Foundation_...

Bill Drummond from the KLF has since said he regrets doing that stunt. "Of course I regret it - who wouldn't!" Drummond now says. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/3667901.stm

I enjoyed reading about the soup line in that article.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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"In other countries with universal healthcare [...]" Not sure where you live or where you've been too, but you make some sweeping arguments about dozens of countries. Mostly everything you say is wrong about Germany (>65% taxation, no private insurance, share room with 5 people, treatments in your room, toilet not in the room, uneatable food, ...).

Germany is one of the five countries, and it has the lowest taxes among them. The rest are Austria and Scandinavian countries where total taxation rate approaches 70% all things factored in (I'm counting indirect taxes as well). Isn't it interesting that the best healthcare system in the world is entirely privatized, in Switzerland?

And Czechia? Slovakia? Poland?

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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post #51

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There are just a few (under 5) countries in the world where you will get the same treatment for "free" as you'd get in the US. The price is >65% taxation. In most of these "universal healthcare" countries, it's not that easy - a healthcare "insurance" is deducted from your wage, if you don't work, you have to pay it out of pocket (mandatory, but cheap - around $100 monthly). Social security programmes are useful just…

You are downvoted because you generalize your experience to every country except a vague set of 5... What you are saying is simply not true in most of Europe. Case in point, last year I have been treated for some serious health issue that would have immediately bankrupted me in the USA, forever. I was in the network of Charité Berlin, one of the biggest hospitals in Europe. The treatment and care was overall fantasti…

You might qualify your argument by clarifying that you're basing your argument on the idea that you wouldn't have had private insurance in the US and that you believe there is no healthcare in the US outside of private insurance.

The first is probably incorrect unless you're totally unemployed as most employers in the US provide private health insurance, and the second is truly incorrect as the vast majority of those who are not employed are covered by things like medicaid. We don't generally just let people die in the US because they don't have health insurance, and in fact hospitals in the US write off millions of dollars in care every year because the bills simply aren't paid -- but they still provide the care, simply shifting the cost to the government and to those of us who do pay the bills (and by extension our insurance companies).

Most of the "facts" people believe about healthcare in the US are badly uninformed and based in the mostly false arguments of those who wish, at all costs, to abolish private healthcare in the US and replace it with medicaid because of their political ideology.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Some people have burned it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Foundation#The_K_Foundation_...

A bit offtopic, but I've been wondering - is it possible to destroy money in any way other than literally burning banknotes. With electronic money you can only transfer them between parties, so while you can give away all your money, the money still exists in the system - you can't call the bank and ask to have 100k deleted from your account. Am I missing something or is there no way for money to ever disappear from…

You cannot destroy money, the government literally adds money at any time (physical and electronically). Deleting 100k would be a drop in the bucket.

Often when the government creates new money it's given to the banks who loan it to the rest of us with interest...

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Dwarf fortress always seems like a brilliant idea wrapped up in a terrible ui and execution. I recently started playing rimworld and its a very similar game but much easier to get started on. The game progressively gives you tips and messages on how to get better and do stuff rather than requiring you to spend hours reading a wiki to get started.

"The game progressively gives you tips and messages on how to get better and do stuff"

Maybe rimworld figured out a tastful way to do that but, so far, every game I've seen it in only managed to ruin the experience.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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post #45

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Some people have burned it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Foundation#The_K_Foundation_...

A bit offtopic, but I've been wondering - is it possible to destroy money in any way other than literally burning banknotes. With electronic money you can only transfer them between parties, so while you can give away all your money, the money still exists in the system - you can't call the bank and ask to have 100k deleted from your account. Am I missing something or is there no way for money to ever disappear from…

Money is created when debt is taken out. By repaying debt, the allowed maximum amount of loaned money (i.e. arbitrarily created money) is reduced. If all debts everywhere were repaid, all money would stop existing.

Therefore, if you give your money to people who use it to pay off their loans, you effectively do the same thing as having it "deleted". The other question, of course, is how to keep those people from taking on new debt now that they have some breathing room.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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Dwarf fortress always seems like a brilliant idea wrapped up in a terrible ui and execution. I recently started playing rimworld and its a very similar game but much easier to get started on. The game progressively gives you tips and messages on how to get better and do stuff rather than requiring you to spend hours reading a wiki to get started.

It's better to think of Dwarf Fortress as a simulation project rather than a game. The developers have stated that improving the quality and depth of the simulation comes before making it playable or fun by games industry standards.

I like this idea much better. It is their intention.

Re: If Dwarf Fortress sells millions on Steam, its creators will give the money away

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There are just a few (under 5) countries in the world where you will get the same treatment for "free" as you'd get in the US. The price is >65% taxation. In most of these "universal healthcare" countries, it's not that easy - a healthcare "insurance" is deducted from your wage, if you don't work, you have to pay it out of pocket (mandatory, but cheap - around $100 monthly). Social security programmes are useful just…

You’re being downvoted because you’re wrong, and anyone with any familiarity at all with the other systems knows you’re wrong. Let us consider: > Did I mention that there is no way to go private other than paying out of pocket, and of course who would run a medical company in a country with universal healthcare? Like many people here, I’ve held private insurance in the UK. The last time I paid for it, I think I paid…

Exactly. I've also had private health insurance in the UK in the past. It cost a lot less than £150/month and when I used it I generally ended up in posh central London hospitals that get enough of their business from rich Arabs that they boasted of their Dubai TV channels.
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