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Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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Here is a Google research paper on how adding the phone number verification will affect the cost of bot user account on black markets: static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en/us/pubs/archive/43134.pdf

What it doesn't include: The cost of the users you will lose because you have a dog shit user experience blocking people before they even get to sample your service.

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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post #190

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Your remarks only make sense to me if you're trying to remain entirely anonymous on a fetish dating system whilst simultaneously disclosing personally identifying information for reasonable use, and I can't reconcile these two objectives.

At the meta level: I use a variety of online systems that I trust to varying degrees, from high to low. Currently I can control my level of information disclosure by using different email addresses. If these systems now require a verified phone number, I then have to trust them all at 100%, tied to my real identity. So a SaaS website requiring verified phone numbers seems benign on the surface. However if this become…

Well then this is going to bake your noodle: we also ask for correct name, date of birth, and emergency contact details, because those are also useful/necessary for our business.

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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post #305

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I'm really just confused by the question though - these things are not the same and twitter is simply not as important as the place your money lives (and I think pretty much everyone would agree?.. I disagree pretty strongly. Twitter is much more important than the bank I keep my money in. Banking in fungible. Twitter gives me access. I've arranged meetings with the partners of the biggest VC fund in Australia sorely…

"Twitter is much more important than then bank I keep my money in" Wow, I will gladly trade you my twitter handle for your credit card number ;D "Banking in fungible." You cannot instantly replace a bank account, transfer credit, or make changes without the help of the bank itself yet twitter can instantly be replaced by many forms of communication (SMS, Email, IRC, Talking, etc). "I'm much more relaxed about a 2 day…

"Banking in fungible." You cannot instantly replace a bank account, transfer credit, or make changes without the help of the bank itself yet twitter can instantly be replaced by many forms of communication (SMS, Email, IRC, Talking, etc).

The network and the way communication happens on those is not the same.

So if your car is on empty and you stop to buy gas only to find that your checking and credit accounts (from the bank) have a 2 day delay, you would find that acceptable!?

Please don't misquote me. The Generally speaking part is important here. Generally speaking, I don't let my car get to a situation where I'm on empty (I think I've been in that situation once in the last 20 years). And if the worst happened, it would suck but I'd ring a friend and it would be inconvenient but that's all.

OTOH, I've had multiple meetings in the last year where my only communication has been by Twitter and we've been arranging where to meet in the minutes before via it.

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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post #25

They have been doing this for any account registered from a VPN or Tor. However, you can simply appeal the block and tell them you haven't tweeted and not broken any rules. They will send you an automated mail, offering to validate your phone number, or reply to the mail if your problem is not solved. Just reply to the mail. Unfortunately, processing the request takes anywhere between 10 minutes and 2 weeks; usually…

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Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the meta level: I use a variety of online systems that I trust to varying degrees, from high to low. Currently I can control my level of information disclosure by using different email addresses. If these systems now require a verified phone number, I then have to trust them all at 100%, tied to my real identity. So a SaaS website requiring verified phone numbers seems benign on the surface. However if this become…

Well then this is going to bake your noodle: we also ask for correct name, date of birth, and emergency contact details, because those are also useful/necessary for our business.

Fair enough - your product is clearly operating at a high level of trust. My concern with required verified phone numbers is if they become a widespread pattern, I now need to treat eg my Reddit porno alias as if it is linked to my street address (in case your system and Reddit become compromised).

Back to the context of Twitter, this is mitigating the troll system problem by introducing a user identity one.

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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> Your only choice as individual user is to leave the platform. That's not even enough anymore. You also have to make sure that every one of your contacts do not upload their address book to conveniently find friends like you who may or may not be on the network. And that they don't tag you in images, events, etc. You're an entry in the Facebook database, whether you have or have had an active profile or not.

Don't forget WhatsApp uploads your entire phonebook by default.

At least not on iOS, it needs to ask for permission first.

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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post #25

They have been doing this for any account registered from a VPN or Tor. However, you can simply appeal the block and tell them you haven't tweeted and not broken any rules. They will send you an automated mail, offering to validate your phone number, or reply to the mail if your problem is not solved. Just reply to the mail. Unfortunately, processing the request takes anywhere between 10 minutes and 2 weeks; usually…

People... please... move to Mastodon https://mastodon.social/. There is no point in using commercial centralized service for things like sharing short message.

I hate Twitter because: - slow javascript - ads - won't show full thread without loging in - now requiring phone - censorship

Re: Twitter forces all new users to enter a valid phone number

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I've heard that even if you flip the "algorithmic timeline" switch off, you still don't see a linear feed of everyone you're following. It's still filtered and manipulated, just closer to linear. Speaking of design decisions, here's a bit [1] about how the "quote tweet" encourages the behavior of "dunking", a usage I have only ever heard in regards to Twitter. Basically, if anyone with a Twitter account says somethin…

the "quote tweet" encourages the behavior of "dunking" Quoting people to negate or mock their argument has been around since Usenet - well, much longer in literary terms but I'm citing Usenet as an example of a system that's almost real-time and where it can be a spontaneous emotionally driven decision. It may not be called 'dunking' on every platform but the phenomenon is universal.

> Quoting people to negate or mock their argument has been around since Usenet - well, much longer in literary terms but I'm citing Usenet as an example of a system that's almost real-time and where it can be a spontaneous emotionally driven decision. It may not be called 'dunking' on every platform but the phenomenon is universal.

It may have occurred occasionally on other platforms, but the difference in degree is enormous enough that it's a de facto difference in kind.

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