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Re: Kickstarter’s staff is unionizing

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I think what he/she was getting at is that "fair" isn't defined (by you). My notion of a fair workplace is one where people's pay and rewards are entirely determined by their skill and merit, as judged by the management. But lots of other people and especially unions define it totally differently: one where people's pay is determined by tenure, their union contract or their gender/race. That seems to be what these Ki…

What really disappoints me is when unions make demands unrelated to pay or work conditions, but to restricting competition. See LA teachers union and their demands to cap charter schools. This is a direct demand to punish teachers who are not part of unions. This is a stark reminder that unions is a "fight coercion with more coercion" solution. It is important to remember that economic coerciveness is a result of ove…

> What really disappoints me is when unions make demands unrelated to pay or work conditions, but to restricting competition

That's not competition, that's just giving away public money.

Re: Kickstarter’s staff is unionizing

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To be fair, working less is exactly in the interest of the employee. It's much better than the scenario of "40 hours a week on paper but in reality it's whatever the employer needs" that is prevalent in the US.

Plenty of unethical behaviors can be sold as being in the best interest of the actor.

Right, like capitalism.

Re: Kickstarter’s staff is unionizing

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> I don't really understand the purpose of the unionization effort, beyond the facade of just wanting to in some way "fit in" with a social movement. It's pretty naive to think unionization is just a social fad. It's a path towards job security, safety, good pay, and control over the direction of your own labor. Trendiness is pretty low on the totem pole.

Collective control over the collective direction of the collective labor. Unions, at least in practice, are only good for the majority of the laborers and definitely not good for independent control over your own work.

> Collective control over the collective direction of the collective labor. Unions, at least in practice, are only good for the majority of the laborers and definitely not good for independent control over your own work.

The alternative is complete control by the employer. Sure, a union, as an institution with power, can likely limit some of your independence, but an employer can limit all of it.

Re: Kickstarter’s staff is unionizing

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>>There is absolutely an imbalance between the rates being paid to western white-collar workers and the value they create for their companies. If there wasn't, we wouldn't continue to see stockholder shares increase and growth in income inequity. What do you mean by "stockholders shares increase"? You're saying shares increasing in value is a sign that there's an imbalance between wages paid to workers and value crea…

>>As for the growth in income inequality, there are many other possible explanations besides a free market in labor being inherently unfair to workers. Such as? >>What do you mean by "stockholders shares increase"? You're saying shares increasing in value is a sign that there's an imbalance between wages paid to workers and value created by them? Quick answer: Yes. If I create $200 worth of value for my company, and…

>>Such as?

* Property values appreciating due to zoning restrictions constraining supply growth. This is the finding of a recent analysis that got significant attention: https://medium.com/the-ferenstein-wire/a-26-year-old-mit-gra...

* Increasing regulations resulting in suppression of competition and rent-extraction by an elite: http://cepr.net/publications/reports/working-paper-the-upwar...

* An increase in occupational licensing. 5% of occupations in 1950 required an occupational license. Today it's 29%. A higher prevalence of occupational licensing also contributes to inequality:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupational_licensing#Evidenc...

>A study from the Mercatus Center showed that occupational licensing can lead to greater income inequality, with each step needed to open a business leading to an additional 1.4% of national income going to the top 10% of earners.

>>Quick answer: Yes. If I create $200 worth of value for my company, and I'm paid $100 dollars and the other $100 is given to the company coffers, I'm underpaid relative to the value I create.

That is a deeply flawed Marxist understanding of economics. The $200 increase in company revenue is not solely due to the workers. If it were, the investors wouldn't be needed. The investment made by the investors is contributing enormous value, which is why investors are valued.

>>That does't tend to be how unions work.

Any rule that is broadly applied to the economy and regiments how labor is to interact with employers is going to be making simplifying assumptions about groups of workers/employers that treat them as homogeneous masses which would benefit from some set of cookie-cutter rules relating to some matter, be it collective bargaining, or union membership, or union dues.

An economy is far to complex to regiment with labor laws.

>>Some simply bargain for benefits that help the masses (grievance resolution, healthcare options, etc).

Regimentation does not help the masses. Mandatory minimum employment benefits like health options seem beneficial superficially, but in actuality they prevent individuals from negotiating the optimal trade off in benefits that maximize their well-being.

You don't increase the net pool of wealth in society when you make benefits mandatory. I might prefer a higher wage over guaranteed paternal leave. It's a trade off. One benefit has to come at the expense of another. Employers have a finite amount of wealth they can expend on labour.

Mandatory benefits are a case of treating individuals in society as cookie-cutter cut-outs, and applying a set formula to all of them. It's central economic planning, and it's destructive.

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