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Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system

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Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system

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USA is heading down this road, too. 21 states will suspend your driver's license if you fall behind on student debt. This is ass backwards and destructive thinking. I am certain this is just the start of greater restrictions on the unfortunate.

Who are these states and how do we flame the legislators that inevitably got rich enacting this endenture servitude upon their youth?

Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system

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post #32

USA is heading down this road, too. 21 states will suspend your driver's license if you fall behind on student debt. This is ass backwards and destructive thinking. I am certain this is just the start of greater restrictions on the unfortunate.

As I've been reminded countless times, "driving is a privilege not a right". You can lose your license for all kinds of 'unfair' reasons that do not make sense, and I agree it's heavy handed to include student loan debt, but until it is Federally acknowledged that all citizens have a right to drive (after passing proper license tests), then this downward progression will continue. In California you can't even registe…

Driving being a privilege, not a right, is only awkward in the US because of how absurdly car dominant it is. Being unable to drive in many other developed countries is barely an issue for most people.

Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system

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Are you serious? That sounds like a stupid idea, what if you need a car for/to reach work? then this is really counterproductive.

> what if you need a car for/to reach work? This is America. So the answer is almost certainly: "Yes, you need your car to reach work."

5% of Americans take public transit to get to work. I wouldn't call that an almost certainty that you need a car. An almost certainty would be maybe under <.001%

Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system

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post #32

USA is heading down this road, too. 21 states will suspend your driver's license if you fall behind on student debt. This is ass backwards and destructive thinking. I am certain this is just the start of greater restrictions on the unfortunate.

As I've been reminded countless times, "driving is a privilege not a right". You can lose your license for all kinds of 'unfair' reasons that do not make sense, and I agree it's heavy handed to include student loan debt, but until it is Federally acknowledged that all citizens have a right to drive (after passing proper license tests), then this downward progression will continue. In California you can't even registe…

Wow California making sexist laws that adversely affect men over women? Color me shocked.

Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system

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post #101

Anytime a criticism of China's social credit score is brought up, there's always a "yeah but US credit score", yet I still don't understand how the two are even in the same ballpark. The social credit score in China is far more invasive and penalizes you for associating yourself with individuals who have low scores. To compare the two is disingenuous and reaks of whataboutism

Please keep the "whataboutism" trope off HN. It's a tired cliché that's only used to delegitimize discussion. Your comment would be just fine without the last sentence. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

True. Can't stand when people use that against me, so even if it fits I dislike the term. It's so common in ad hominem fallacy.

Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system

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Anytime a criticism of China's social credit score is brought up, there's always a "yeah but US credit score", yet I still don't understand how the two are even in the same ballpark. The social credit score in China is far more invasive and penalizes you for associating yourself with individuals who have low scores. To compare the two is disingenuous and reaks of whataboutism

>and penalizes you for associating yourself with individuals who have low scores.

Citation Needed. As far as I know that's a possible, but still speculated feature.

Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system

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Not even remotely similar. China's rating system is government-mandated. In the US, the credit rating system is a creature of, and controlled by, the market. The US imposes very weak regulation on the credit ratings companies for individuals, and almost none at all on the credit ratings companies for businesses.

It is a very american thing to say. I mean "it is bad, because it is regulated". Why? I suppose that social credit system of China is abused to make life of political opposition harder, but the article discussed is not about it. It shows case of a failed debtor. And for him it doesn't matter if social credit system is regulated or controlled by the market. What does matter for him is what impact this system has to hi…

Seems like there is a misunderstanding about the US credit system. Paying interest has 0 impact on your credit score. Plenty of ways to get a credit card without credit history (secured credit cards are typically easiest) and as long as you pay it off before the statement due date (typically 28-60 days after the charge) then you will not be charged any interest while building credit.

Here's a quick overview of how a US credit score is calculated - https://www.equifax.com/personal/education/credit/score/how-...

Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system

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That was my point. As someone who walks a lot, there are also large parts of the US that are wholly inaccessible by foot.

The only viable non-car using way to access these areas is an eBike, and even then some areas have super aggressive drivers that are happy to run you over. Unsurprisingly, people aren't too keen on walking/scootering/biking in these conditions :c

Can eBikes be taken long-distance to rural areas?

Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system

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post #78

"One creditor said the company was a sham from the beginning, with fabricated expenditure and cooked books." Looks like the system is working. If "barred from participation in the securities markets" by the SEC meant flying in coach and no landing slots for private aircraft, it might have more effect.

Along that line, if the US had a similar system, our current president would have been marked a "deadbeat" long before he got the chance to run for office (not saying the system is right, just saying)

Re: Life on the wrong side of China’s social credit system

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post #32

USA is heading down this road, too. 21 states will suspend your driver's license if you fall behind on student debt. This is ass backwards and destructive thinking. I am certain this is just the start of greater restrictions on the unfortunate.

Is there a reason why student debt and not other kinds of debt (e.g. credit card)?

Also, how does the DMV know what someone’s debt history is?

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