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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by noir_lord »

clarkmoody wrote: post #515
DCKing wrote: post #496

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I think it politicizes the early internet too much to call it a revolution in the political sense. The early internet was a place of experimentation with new communication, but I think it goes way too far to call it a 'movement'. By its nature it attracted a bunch of people with particular political persuasions. But it wasn't only people of those persuasions, and neither was the entire thing an instrument for those p…

Not political, no. A technological revolution, in the disruptive sense. We can look to other disruptive technologies over time to see how the entrenched / favored industries handled the change. The story is mostly the same, but the players are different. The mercatilist impulse is to freeze economics to ensure current levels of profit via state fiat. Even companies that start out revolutionary/scrappy/innovative beco…

Technological change and disruptions seem to be accelerating I wonder if we'll get to the point where the large entrenched interests simply can't keep up.

It takes time to buy politicians (at least until PaaS - Politician as a Service becomes a thing).

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

notahacker wrote: post #598
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #554

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It's really the opposite. These large entities are created by centralized governments. If you have a small business that only operates in New York, they don't care what the law in California is, it doesn't affect them. Walmart and Amazon care, because it does. And what they want is for the law to be the same everywhere, and for that law to be the one that benefits them. So they get that law passed by the central gove…

The largest entities are multinationals operating on multiple continents, so it's pretty clear that regulations being passed at federal level isn't the primary source of their economies of scale. Sure, companies can use regulatory harmonization to their advantage, but they can also use tax and labour law competition between localities to their advantage.

> The largest entities are multinationals operating on multiple continents, so it's pretty clear that regulations being passed at federal level isn't the primary source of their economies of scale.

First, it still can be. If the US has one set of laws and the EU has another set, a conglomerate has two sets of laws to navigate. That is still much easier for them than having dozens in each place.

Second, companies do their "harmonization" game with treaties as well, which of course only works by having a sufficiently powerful central government that can be controlled to sign onto such treaties and use their power to get other governments to do the same, using many of the same problematic shenanigans that happen at the federal level to create bad federal laws.

> Sure, companies can use regulatory harmonization to their advantage, but they can also use tax and labour law competition between localities to their advantage.

But that has nothing to do with entity size, and in fact is the opposite. If one state has advantageous laws then local companies there have an advantage over companies of any size that operate elsewhere.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by wvenable »

isostatic wrote: post #521
philpem wrote: post #314

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You need only look at the rampant abuse of Content ID to see what the likely result will be... "Sorry, the video you uploaded 'Me playing Beethoven on the piano' contains BEETHOVEN'S 5TH SYMPHONY by BMG-EMI-XYZ Music Corp. You cannot upload this video."

Don't use platforms them. Host it yourself.

You have to host somewhere!!! Ever gotten an abuse email from the data center holding your physical hardware? I have. My tiny forum that has 50 participants max actually has a filter to prevent anyone from using the word "Elton".

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by trickstra »

tutanchamun wrote: post #642
trickstra wrote: post #477

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where can I get the lists of names and how they voted for this specific bill?

Julia Reda has posted the raw data: https://juliareda.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/copyrightvot... It should be available on the site of the european parliament as well.

Thanks, I just found it too on the EP website, however without the explanation of the votes and buried in the middle of a 300 page word document.

Isn't it nice that the people deciding about the future of internet are doing that by passing around word documents like it's 2001? I wonder how many people here can imagine a more readable presentation of such data...

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by oska »

ABCLAW wrote: post #596
koonsolo wrote: post #562

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> If you're a tiny blog with a banner ad or two I'm sure everyone is dreaming of having a "tiny blog" Meanwhile in the real world, the European streamers and content creators, who make a living from their content, are looking on how to escape the EU so their content doesn't get filtered out.

In the real world, people are being fed misinformation about what's going on by people who didn't read the actual text of the article. That's the point. I did. I've followed every public draft of the language as its developed. The article does not do what people are claiming it does. The internet is not dead. Small content creators are not being wiped out. The big tech giants are not creating yet another regulatory m…

I keep on seeing you say how you're better informed than most people in this thread but I've yet to see you make any concrete points drawing from the actual text of the law.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by riskable »

jostmey wrote: post #597
_bxg1 wrote: post #494

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I think the law precludes such agreements; i.e., publishers are forced to claim license fees for their work whether they want to or not.

That doesn't make any sense. Who sets the price?

Each country now has to implement their own version of this directive. That includes pricing.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by phinnaeus »

isostatic wrote: post #521
philpem wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need only look at the rampant abuse of Content ID to see what the likely result will be... "Sorry, the video you uploaded 'Me playing Beethoven on the piano' contains BEETHOVEN'S 5TH SYMPHONY by BMG-EMI-XYZ Music Corp. You cannot upload this video."

Don't use platforms them. Host it yourself.

I think it is completely absurd to expect every content creator, with their diverse talents, to all _also_ posses the expertise needed to host their own content.

Reminds me of the Dropbox launch thread here on HN a decade ago where some sysadmin chimes in with "but this is so easy for the layman to do themselves with FTP and [other technologies laypeople have never heard of]" (not an actual quote).

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by phinnaeus »

wvenable wrote: post #653
isostatic wrote: post #521

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Don't use platforms them. Host it yourself.

You have to host somewhere!!! Ever gotten an abuse email from the data center holding your physical hardware? I have. My tiny forum that has 50 participants max actually has a filter to prevent anyone from using the word "Elton".

It's simple, just get a static IP and host it on your home internet. Unless your ISP decides to shut you down. Then just setup your own ISP and datacenter and get your own peering agreements!

/s

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by riskable »

mbell wrote: post #559
jaabe wrote: post #321

I know this is an extremely unpopular opinion, but I’m actually fine with more equality in copyright legislation. These “disastrous” copyright laws already apply to you and me, and if you think they don’t, then just try hosting a top 1 music video on your personal domain. Where the laws don’t apply is if your service is to host user content and you have the size to circumvent justice. YouTube makes a lot of money off…

This a false analogy. If a company places copyrighted material on their servers they would be equally culpable. Many companies have been sued / shutdown over this just as an individual would. This issue is about a third party (a user), not the company itself, placing copyrighted material on the companies servers.

Anything that's uploadable is copyrighted by someone. How do you prove the uploader owns the copyright?

There's no big database of all copyrighted works and if it existed it would be the biggest violator of them all.

It is technically impossible to verify the owner of a copyright using anything other than the courts.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by mirimir »

smush wrote: post #585
mirimir wrote: post #500

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Yes, the Internet caught many "corporate and political powers" by surprise. But now they're getting it locked down. > I think many will stop seeing the darkweb as a place of CP and drug dealing, and more of an internet free from regulation. You mean Tor, I presume. But Freenet is still around, although it's too risky to use it, except via Tor. And there are other overlay networks. Some basically just use VPN connecti…

Sorry, I'm not familiar with Freenet. Why must you use Tor to browse it?

It's a ~20 year old P2P network that relies on traffic obfuscation for plausible deniability. But peers see each other's IP addresses. There's lots of child porn on it.

In recent years, investigators have been using customized clients to serve child porn, and track which peers receive it from them. For IPs in their jurisdiction, they get and execute search warrants.

Although there is arguably plausible deniability, most defendants lack the will and resources to fight. So they typically plea bargain.

Anyway, if you use Tor, they can't find you. But it's not as simple as that, really. Basically, you lease a VPS, working ~anonymously via Tor. You run a Freenet node on the VPS, and access the webGUI as a Tor onion service. They can take down the VPS, if they like, but won't know who was using it.

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