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Has the minimum size been taken out of A13? Earlier drafts I'm pretty sure had minimum turnover/staff counts which were far above small community scale (tens of millions/year).

No, but they added another rule that only platforms younger than 3 years get exemption.

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Nord Stream 2 would make gas system in Ukraine vurnable and allows further military escalation from Russia side, as it would be possible to transport gas via Nord Stream 2. This would make peace in EU under question also since aggression won't be in Ukraine only in case it escalates. Also Nord Stream 2 would make Germany more dependent on Russia gas. At the same time US wants to have EU and Germany on their side in f…

> Germany on the other side does not like "being controlled" and has some attraction to Russia. Being German myself, I don't think it has so much to do with being controlled or not, but the difference between several powers having some degree of influence vs. one having it all. Russia and the USA are certainly two very big players in world politics, and Germany already seems to have plenty of co-dependence with the U…

And in this case it means Russia gains much more influence over eastern Europe. As a Lithuanian, I'd rather isolate Russia much more and have more dependency on US.

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> The likes of Google News would have to pay publishers for press snippets shown in search results.

I don't really understand the rationale behind this. Really, I am trying to put myself in the shoes of a policy maker, why would I do this law? It's the publisher's role to ask for money, isn't it? Why should a country force a company to pay for sharing content from another company? I don't understand...

[0]:https://m.dw.com/en/eu-parliament-approves-controversial-cop...

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EU Elections are coming up. Vote for the pirate faction in your country or check who voted what and only vote for those parties that voted against A13 or if there are none, parties that are vocal against A13. Same goes for your countries own election cycle.

American here. Now I know some nations within the EU have proportional voting but I have to ask, how difficult is it to unseat a politician? How difficult is it to do so within their party, are there the equivalent of the US primary system? For the US, unless they are not running the chance of reelection is very high so without some sort of political shift not governed by one of our two parties is near impossible.

It's more about changing power ratio between parties rather than unseating a specific politician. If a known politician fucks up badly, they can get elected next time even if their party support drops a lot. And that's still a win for the opponents.

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It's called counter-revolution. Many revolutionary movements are eventually co-opted by elites (often the elites of the overthrown system) for their own purposes. Sometimes the new system put in place after the counter-revolution is worse than the system the original revolution sought to overthrow. The cypherpunks foresaw the dystopian surveillance state decades before the reality and tried to get out in front of it…

This isn't a fight between elites and the proles - most people who are framing the result today as such have not read the text of article 11 and 13. And I don't blame them, most articles on the matter conspicuously refuse to link the text, for some reason. This is a fight between titans of industry in two different verticals. Content is upset that publishing is getting all of the money - and a brief examination of th…

They reworded Article 11 and 13 (now 15 and 17) so many times that I wouldn't be surprised if "most people" haven't read the final text...

In my opinion the original version with the amendments was simply insane; the work of technologically illiterate lawmakers in conjunction with copyright lobbyists. The final version makes an awkward attempt to fix some of the criticism by simply making things more vague, so each member state can decide how draconian they want to go with its enforcement. Calling the political discourse that opposes these articles "fearmongering" is disingenuous.

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I think the law precludes such agreements; i.e., publishers are forced to claim license fees for their work whether they want to or not.

That doesn't make any sense. Who sets the price?

It makes sense as a way of preventing exactly the kind of thing the parent comment describes. If you don't even have the option of giving your stuff away for free, nobody can pressure you into doing so.

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I don't know whether Article 11/13 are good or bad (although at first glance they seem to be bad), but I don't think this attitude of "forcing freedom" onto others is good. The entire attitude that I should "regain [my] freedom" seems condescending. I don't want to use a P2P alternative to YouTube or Reddit, because 99% of the content is on Reddit/YouTube. I'm well aware that YouTube collects and sells my personal da…

>The idea that legislation is good because it forcefully restricts my choices (indirectly, by harming YouTube), thus preventing me from harming myself seems to be a form of unneeded parenting/hand-holding/babying that I'm not a fan of. That's the catholic and lutheran authoritarian mindset that is deep ingrained into the minds of EU politicians and large parts of Europe itself, that's what they mean with "democracy".…

Thomas Hobbes was religious but I don't think religion is still the motivator for Hobbesian Europeans.

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This isn't a fight between elites and the proles - most people who are framing the result today as such have not read the text of article 11 and 13. And I don't blame them, most articles on the matter conspicuously refuse to link the text, for some reason. This is a fight between titans of industry in two different verticals. Content is upset that publishing is getting all of the money - and a brief examination of th…

> most articles on the matter conspicuously refuse to link the text, for some reason. Julia Reda (German MEP for the Pirate Party) had most of the up to date info for the whole fiasco since it started. And she also provided new versions of the texts whenever they became available.

Yes, her work is commendable in bringing information to the public. I don't quite agree with her tone or conclusions in this matter, but I'm glad there are solid IP-centric advocates like her as MEPs.

Unfortunately, a ton of articles basically copy her opinions or findings without the source material, so they get distorted.

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A big part of the problem is that there is no single entity that defends the citizens interest in this instance. You have the Disney's of the world heavily lobbying to pass reforms like these, but who protests against it? - Online signatures? Gets laughed out of the room. They could be fake, they don't mean anything, they are paid, etc.. - Voting? Voting cycles are too long and voting decisions cannot be made on a si…

There have been huge street protests all over Europe.

The MEPs didn't care.

There are elections soon. But people will just vote for all the usual candidates, so why would they care?

This is just one topic out of hundreds. And most people care more about the road in front of there house than about something as abstract as freedom of speech. Sadly.

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