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Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by cotelletta »

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #52
cotelletta wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no way this new law actually protects little guys. All the exemptions for small platforms go away once that platform exists for 3 years. After that you turn into another Google and Facebook. So is the EU somehow expecting a new market to open up for alternative players who only expect to be around for 3 years, before closing up shop? Who is going to invest in that? How is it going to make "big tech" less pow…

> It is stunning that critical thinking is now so bad that they can convince a majority of MEPs this is not a complete fantasy. I don't think MEPs are dumb or incompetent for anything other than choosing the wrong people to advise them on technical issues. Consider that not everyone necessarily understands how internet content even works. Politicians don't even seem to understand that you can't "just scan content tha…

If they don't have basic digital literacy, they are not qualified to be a politician in the 21st century. It's the same old story.

I'm not "worried", I want these people out of office and far away from influence. The B Ark is in charge.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by hektorrr »

This is also huge blow in the artist community, because if they will have no license or contract with big media entities their work will not be shared. And I hope Google, MS and Wiki will stick together in blocking any content from entities requiring any sort of pay. Of course this would not solve all issues featured with these reforms. Smallest are always loosing when it comes to laws like that.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by Chris2048 »

icebraining wrote: post #31
Chris2048 wrote: post #11

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Perhaps if you see EU parliament as "lobby-bought", you can accept there is good reason to oppose the EU, and stop calling brexiteers "nationalists".

Except local parliaments are also lobby-bought, so that doesn't solve the problem. Brexit is the politician's fallacy in action.

Solve what problem? The problem of lobbies in general? No, it doesn't.

The problem of EU lobbying, and inter-national divide-and-conquer? Yes, to some extent.

Framing this as politician's fallacy, action for the sake of action, suggests that lobbying won't be worse in the EU than at a local level. In reality, it's easier to consolidate a smaller same-nation population, than multiple international ones. Just look at how stereotypes are used to discredit - lazy greeks, racist little-englanders etc.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by NeedMoreTea »

toasterlovin wrote: post #33
pmlnr wrote: post #27

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No, they voted for lies.

Ah, so when you disagree, people voted for lies? But when you agree then it’s the will of the people?

"In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."

N Farage, May 2016.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

lgrebe wrote: post #3

„German newspaper FAZ reports its investigation found strong indications that Germany traded its support for the #copyright deal for French concessions on Russian gas #northstream2„ https://edition.faz.net/faz-edition/wirtschaft/2019-03-26/f3... Via https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1110278976654794753?s=20

Maybe someone can explain to me why the hell France (or the rest of the EU) even cares about where Germany gets their gas from in the first place?

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by sprash »

antientropic wrote: post #58
sprash wrote: post #44

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The EU is not democratic at all. Especially because the unelected European Commission has executive and legislative power. The parliament only has veto rights and even at that it spectacularly fails as Art. 17 shows. The whole thing was a backroom deal between Germany (which wants gas from Russia) and France (which apparently really likes ultra restrictive Copyright). We would have the same result without this fake t…

These are pretty weak arguments to get rid of the EU. In many democracies, the government has the power to propose legislation. And what democracy doesn't have backroom deals?

The problem here is that the backroom deal of two countries (Germany and France) now has influence over countries that are totally unrelated like e.g. Finland. This turns the EU into a tyranny where might is right. Why should Germans have a say about how the internet should work in Finland?

The EU is also already dying. Brexit will come soon and Italy is on it's way out. What the remnants will be is unclear but the EU as a whole has already failed. The settlement process to unwind it will be lengthy and painful.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by IanSanders »

geff82 wrote: post #4

I will now start my move out of the EU. I know how heavily restricted Internet feels like from my frequent Iran travels, and I will move out of any country that moves 2 inches in that direction, whatever the "good reason" might be. Politicians felt like your regular corrupt banana republic representatives this time. And now they know how to get away with this, they will try it with something different again soon.

>I will now start my move out of the EU

While good for you, EU will have one less citizen opposing internet restriction. We need a better way to deal with this but I cannot think of one.

>Politicians felt like your regular corrupt banana republic representatives this time.

That's what it converges to. Good ones don't survive.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by TomMarius »

DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #85
lgrebe wrote: post #3

„German newspaper FAZ reports its investigation found strong indications that Germany traded its support for the #copyright deal for French concessions on Russian gas #northstream2„ https://edition.faz.net/faz-edition/wirtschaft/2019-03-26/f3... Via https://twitter.com/Senficon/status/1110278976654794753?s=20

Maybe someone can explain to me why the hell France (or the rest of the EU) even cares about where Germany gets their gas from in the first place?

And then someone could explain why should I, a citizen of another country that's very far away from France, need to care about that

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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Post by dmortin »

riffraff wrote: post #32
pmlnr wrote: post #21

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You're not alone. Hungarian elections, Brexit, this - it all feels like what people actually want, is ignored.

hungarians mostly voted for the current government. I don't like Orban, and his propaganda is shameful, but what he does is exactly what people want (and corruption on the side). The opposition does not have any shared platform that the majority of the people would want, other than "not orban".

> I don't like Orban, and his propaganda is shameful, but what he does is exactly what people want (and corruption on the side).

Propaganda is the key, because he uses relentless propaganda to hammer the message that migrants want to go to Hungary and take people's jobs, etc., and he uses migration as an answer for everything (those who ciriticize government corruption, do so, because they want to let in migrants, etc)

Many people believe him, because the opposition has much less opportunity to convey its message (less money for billboards, Fidesz took over the major radio stations, shut down opposition newspapers using economic means, etc.), so people have to actively seek out alternative news sources, and those who don't are mainly reached by government propaganda.

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