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How to increase serotonin in the human brain without drugs (2007)

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Re: How to increase serotonin in the human brain without drugs (2007)

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You are not, on present definitions. This is one of those things that a lot of members of the public at large do not seem to know; they think that depression is defined as some sort of chemical imbalance in the brain, and it is not. Depression is defined in the DSM more or less as, being sad too often, except in cases of mourning etc. where people are often incredibly sad. It is literally defined as an overabundance…

Care to expand on the coping mechanisms you developed? Emotional regulation and stamping out rumination seems to be a wonderful life skill to develop across the entire board.

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Re: How to increase serotonin in the human brain without drugs (2007)

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Yea, I think people are confusing the effects of exercise in different cases. IMO there are really at least two groups here: A) >= moderately athletic people with above average health and can sustain strenuous cardiovascular activity. For these people going out and exercising is a form of self actualization which IME is a pretty hard counter to depression. It's an "easy" way of being very good at something and that g…

It's about increasing pxygen / body flow and increasing the body's detoxification process.

Detoxification process? What would that be and how does that relate to the topic we're discussing?

Re: How to increase serotonin in the human brain without drugs (2007)

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Interesting review of non-drug approaches to depression and mood: - Alterations in thought (meditation) - Exposure to bright light (outdoors) - Exercise - tryptophan supplementation taken WITHOUT food for greater uptake - α-Lactalbumin found in Milk but not really a great option Definitely can speak to the exposure to light, and exercise ones. Nothing lifts my mood more than going for a run outside, in the heat of th…

Let me offer a counter comment - going outside for a walk makes me more depressed. It's a quiet time that allows my mind to run wild and cause increased symptoms of depression.

Now I still do it but it's hardly a positive for me personally. Of course I'm not saying you're wrong for yourself - just that there are alternative viewpoints that should be put out there.

Re: How to increase serotonin in the human brain without drugs (2007)

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People in this thread are repeating the myth that exercise is a treatment for depression, when all the evidence we have shows that it probably isn't. The article links to an old version of the NICE guidance. The new version of that is here: https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg90 It's important to note that exercise isn't being touted as a treatment for depression, but as something that may help people with sub-clinica…

Honestly I feel like you're splitting hairs here. You say that exercise is not a treatment, but at the same time say that exercise may help. Isn't a treatment something that may help? I get it, don't pretend that exercise is the magic pill that will work for everyone, especially for those at the more severe end of the depression spectrum. But, even the NICE guidance that you linked to suggests "taking regular physica…

The reason is that different points on the "spectrum of depression" may be entirely different diseases.

For a hypothetical example, it would be entirely possible that people who are sub-clinically depressed turn out to be more-often-than-not lacking in dopamine (due to e.g. Seasonal Affective Disorder), where their depression is secondary to things like fatigue and lack of focus brought about by this. These people would do better with exercise or vitamin D or light therapy or a dose of Wellbutrin... but SSRIs or meditation or behavioral-activation therapy or other "things that help people who are clinically depressed" wouldn't help at all.

"Clinical depression" isn't a disease (= a particular mechanism that causes symptoms.) It is, instead, a syndrome—a name for a cluster of symptoms that get studied because we have no good tests to isolate a particular etiology (cause) in each case. Different etiologies have different best treatments.

Since we can't isolate the etiologies well enough to name them, we can at least refer to "sub-clinical depression", "clinical depression", "treatment-resistant depression", etc. as separate syndromes, such that—hopefully!—each one more closely corresponds with a particular etiology, and thus we can develop a line of treatment best suited to each.

Re: How to increase serotonin in the human brain without drugs (2007)

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It's about increasing pxygen / body flow and increasing the body's detoxification process.

Detoxification process? What would that be and how does that relate to the topic we're discussing?

> Detoxification process? What would that be

Pumping the lymphatic channels, mostly. Because humans don't have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lymph_hearts, so we don't just naturally do that; we actually need to move around in order for our lymphatic system to maintain the pressure required for flow.

> how does that relate to the topic we're discussing

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28342944

"Toxins" (metabolic waste and immune-system antibodies, mostly) cause tissue inflammation. Your body responds to systemic increases in inflammation by becoming depressed. Cleaning the wastes out of your body, in a way that decreases inflammation, will act to decrease depression.

Interesting—and true and well-studied—corollary: things that just suppress the inflammatory response to bodily toxins, are also antidepressant. NSAIDs (e.g. ibuprofen) are anti-depressant.

Re: How to increase serotonin in the human brain without drugs (2007)

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People in this thread are repeating the myth that exercise is a treatment for depression, when all the evidence we have shows that it probably isn't. The article links to an old version of the NICE guidance. The new version of that is here: https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg90 It's important to note that exercise isn't being touted as a treatment for depression, but as something that may help people with sub-clinica…

You routinely express obnoxiously bad psychiatric opinions on this website. What exactly is a "national expert adviser to the Mental Health Safety Improvement Programme"? Do you have a medical license? I'm betting my HN account you don't.

Re: How to increase serotonin in the human brain without drugs (2007)

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People in this thread are repeating the myth that exercise is a treatment for depression, when all the evidence we have shows that it probably isn't. The article links to an old version of the NICE guidance. The new version of that is here: https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/cg90 It's important to note that exercise isn't being touted as a treatment for depression, but as something that may help people with sub-clinica…

> People in this thread are repeating the myth that exercise is a treatment for depression, when all the evidence we have shows that it probably isn't. Thank you for clearly stating this. Depression is not "Gee, I've been feeling tired and blue for a couple of days," but it is commonly confused with "short term, mild melancholy". Depression is a serious illness and needs to be understood and treated as such.

Lifting saved my life.

Re: How to increase serotonin in the human brain without drugs (2007)

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Honestly I feel like you're splitting hairs here. You say that exercise is not a treatment, but at the same time say that exercise may help. Isn't a treatment something that may help? I get it, don't pretend that exercise is the magic pill that will work for everyone, especially for those at the more severe end of the depression spectrum. But, even the NICE guidance that you linked to suggests "taking regular physica…

For clarity: I don't think exercise helps treat depression, unless we're also happy to say that homeopathy treats depression.

You need to stop posting about psychiatry. You're a dangerous idiot. I've noticed this before, and I've chosen to risk my HN account to tell you this.

Re: How to increase serotonin in the human brain without drugs (2007)

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5htp as pill. L-tryptophan as powder

Do you take both, or would you mind explaining your dosage? I see you've mentioned you seem to have developed a tolerance. Mind sharing more detail on the above such as how long you have been taking the above and the dosage used for each, as well as the notice of tolerance of each etc.?

I do take both, 400mg of 5htp most mornings

and L-Tryptophan (about a teaspoon) mixed with oil in the most evenings

I go on and off them sometimes if they're not doing much

Re: How to increase serotonin in the human brain without drugs (2007)

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That does beg the interesting question that if you don't feel depressed, are you really depressed?

If you don’t feel anything - are you really living? Look up emotional bluntness and anhedonia.

Yes but, the lack of feelings can be classed as a feeling also. Where does that leave us! :)
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