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How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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you're definitely not wrong. a waifu is not a human. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waifu

My friends sometimes use it in an ironic sense to refer to my wife who is Japanese.

Maybe consider the literal implications of the "joke", even if its meant to be ironic/endearing or something similar.

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Has anyone ever been harmed by Google Analytics? I am skeptical.

That's precisely the point. The law doesn't make code which causes harm illegal, it makes code which does not operate in accordance with the user's intention illegal. Think about that for a second. Think about every program ever written which did not operate in accordance with the user's intention. Literally every bug is punishable by three years in prison. This is a classic example of legislators saying "We don't un…

Exceptional explanation!

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Fun fact my waifu confessed she never touched a computer until entering University. She's terrible at using any technology in general as a result. It's mildly fascinating.

Does your comment really add to the discussion, aside from weirding some people out?

It adds a new discussion! That discussion is titled, "Is sk0g an overbearing asshole?" Let's jump in and find out what HN thinks!

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I am curious: they never cooperated with foreign organized crime? I find it hard to believe.

Well they are reputed to be involved in drug trafficking with other groups outside Japan, but they maintain control over foreign gang activity inside Japan. Edit: just to clarify, Yakuza is not a single group. There are big differences between the various units. Many of them don’t touch drug trade, some are involved in human trafficking, and others seem to be mainly symbolic.

so, in effect, Yakuza is not that different from other businesses.

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The 99% figure is a common misconception. Prosecutors in Japan are underfunded, so they only try to convict rock solid cases, among other factors. This Wikipedia entry seems to flagrantly defy wiki rules but seems more informative for it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_J...

However, the above link does point out a convention ripe for abuse: Because suspects are put through continuous interrogation which could last up to 23 days as well as isolation from the outside world, including access to lawyers, both the Japanese judiciary and the public are well aware that confession of guilt can easily be forced.

The point the articles continues to make is actually the opposite of what you're implying, the very next sentence says:

Consequently, the court (and the public) take the view that mere confession of guilt alone is never any sufficient ground for conviction.

Instead, for confession to be a valid evidence for conviction, the Japanese court requires confession to include revelation of verifiable factual matter which only the perpetrator of the crime could have known such as the location of an undiscovered body or the time and place the murder weapon was purchased, a fact about the crime scene, etc. Furthermore, to safeguard against the possibility that the interrogator implanting such knowledge into confession, the prosecutor must prove that such revelation of secret was unknown to the police until the point of confession.

I find this fascinating. Specifically, this part:

While it is impossible for an innocent suspect to reveal relevant information about a crime even under severe torture, a guilty suspect is likely to crack under prolonged interrogation in isolation and make a damning confession. Activists claim that the Japanese justice system (and Japanese public to some extent) consider that prolonged interrogation of suspect in isolation without access to lawyers is justified to solve the criminal cases without risking the miscarriage of justice.

This is so completely unlike any western approach to justice that is familiar to me that I cannot pass any judgment on it without knowing its efficacy relative to percentage of false confessions.

The argument of this technique's validity is somewhat undermined in the next paragraph where the authors notes that false confessions still happen, so I'll definitely give you that!

As an aside, as someone upthread alluded to, this is a fascinating example of an article that breaks almost all of the Wikipedia editing rules but is surprisingly informative.. probably more informative than it would have been if it omitted the synthesis and OR

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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I don't have a lot of respect for Japanese police. It seems they while away their time inventing entrapment scenarios, arresting people for pranks, apparently, and measuring car accidents for hours on end, but don't do a damn thing when something serious is going on. For example, there have been several cases in the news over the years where women go to the police to complain that they are being stalked, only to have…

> raped by over 100 men I think you mean less than. The wikipedia article that you listed said that "approximately 100 people knew about Junko Furuta's captivity" and that only some of them participated in the rape. Still, that's quite horrifying.

I'll have to check. I've read a lot about this case and I know there is some conflicting information on the Internet about it. I remember reading on a Japanese site that it was around 100 men who raped her. If I can find an English citation, I'll add it. Either way, what that girl suffered was horrific and it didn't need to be that way, had the police done their job.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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However, the above link does point out a convention ripe for abuse: Because suspects are put through continuous interrogation which could last up to 23 days as well as isolation from the outside world, including access to lawyers, both the Japanese judiciary and the public are well aware that confession of guilt can easily be forced.

The point the articles continues to make is actually the opposite of what you're implying, the very next sentence says: Consequently, the court (and the public) take the view that mere confession of guilt alone is never any sufficient ground for conviction. Instead, for confession to be a valid evidence for conviction, the Japanese court requires confession to include revelation of verifiable factual matter which onl…

> While it is impossible for an innocent suspect to reveal relevant information about a crime even under severe torture

This is, of course, untrue; desperate, babbling can be accurate by coincidence; if you do enough torturing of innocent people, you'll get a measurably-different-from-zero rate of accurate, previously unknown information.

> This is so completely unlike any western approach to justice that is familiar to me

The desire for sufficient proof of guilt before passing criminal sentence is very similar to the theory of proof underlying the utterly pervasive use of torture in some Western systems in the early modern period (which for serious offenses tended to require clear proof like the two-witnesses-to-the-same-overt-act rule still enshrined in the US Constitution for treason, but allowed weaker indications to be validated by a confession extracted under torture, so long as “freely” confirmed thereafter.)

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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I don't have a lot of respect for Japanese police. It seems they while away their time inventing entrapment scenarios, arresting people for pranks, apparently, and measuring car accidents for hours on end, but don't do a damn thing when something serious is going on. For example, there have been several cases in the news over the years where women go to the police to complain that they are being stalked, only to have…

Correction: Junko's death was on January 4, 1989. It is her funeral that was on April 2, 1989.

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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Well they are reputed to be involved in drug trafficking with other groups outside Japan, but they maintain control over foreign gang activity inside Japan. Edit: just to clarify, Yakuza is not a single group. There are big differences between the various units. Many of them don’t touch drug trade, some are involved in human trafficking, and others seem to be mainly symbolic.

so, in effect, Yakuza is not that different from other businesses.

Calling them a business describes it spot on.

Afaik they are pretty much to most "corporate" like crime syndicate out there. Complete with charity drives for good PR [0]

[0] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-yakuza/yakuza-among-first...

Re: How Japanese Police Turned Cyber Prank into Arresting Cases

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My friends sometimes use it in an ironic sense to refer to my wife who is Japanese.

Maybe consider the literal implications of the "joke", even if its meant to be ironic/endearing or something similar.

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