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Re: In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much

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Post by dTal » Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 5:18 PM UTC

tudorconstantin wrote: post #53

hakfoo wrote: post #49

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Okay, putting asbestos underwear on: In most modern societies, we agree that children have limitations on the "people should be free to live their lives as they want" mindset. Otherwise, we'd be letting four year olds subsist solely on candy, hot dogs, and twenty hours a day of the Best of Elsagate. We've traditionally trusted the compromise for that to parents. But parenting is hard. We're running on a mix of scienc…

We can't put an education expert in every home, but we can put all the children in "correct child raising institutions" where they'll follow strict schedules, intense education and balanced diets. So that we'll be sure the kids will be productive elements for the society when they grow up. I bet in a few generations people would start asking questions like "if it wouldn't be the state, who would raise our children?".…

> it's not the state's role to raise our children

Why not? "It takes a village to raise a child", they say. The state is the embodiment of communal action.

> It's only role should be to make sure the kids are not abused

Where is the line between abuse (where the state should intervene) and simply neglectful or poor parenting (which can be very damaging)?

Re: In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much

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Post by antidesitter » Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 6:19 PM UTC

gotocake wrote: post #45

antidesitter wrote: post #44

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> this slope is so slippery only being offended by trifles can save us Nice strawman. Chinese government censorship is not a "trifle". > a relatively free society (which of course China isn’t) You said it yourself.

I think you may have ignored both the post I was replying to, and the 95% of my post you didn’t chop into sentence fragments and choose to respond to.

Enlighten me as to which part of your comment I mischaracterized.

Re: In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much

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Post by HNLurker2 » Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 10:40 AM UTC

thatoneuser wrote: post #38

huehehue wrote: post #35

How can anyone here endorse something like this in any way? I get that video game addiction is a real problem, but constant surveillance is not a healthy alternative. Some people are cool with this because "kids need to be studying or playing outside, not playing video games!". But this is just an instance where your interests happen to shallowly align with the government's. By the time we get to an issue you take of…

How can people endorse? Pretty easy - cognitive dissonance, projection, vicarious tithing, etc. People are really complacent about other people suffering things they themselves would hate. We're asshole in that way.

Also would recommend this video to understand the mechanics that makes Fornite so damn addictive: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tqG74aI9t3Q

Re: In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much

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Post by thatoneuser » Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 10:39 PM UTC

dTal wrote: post #71

tudorconstantin wrote: post #53

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We can't put an education expert in every home, but we can put all the children in "correct child raising institutions" where they'll follow strict schedules, intense education and balanced diets. So that we'll be sure the kids will be productive elements for the society when they grow up. I bet in a few generations people would start asking questions like "if it wouldn't be the state, who would raise our children?".…

> it's not the state's role to raise our children Why not? "It takes a village to raise a child", they say. The state is the embodiment of communal action. > It's only role should be to make sure the kids are not abused Where is the line between abuse (where the state should intervene) and simply neglectful or poor parenting (which can be very damaging)?

These are hard questions and that's exactly why the state doesn't belong here. Parents make mistakes. Governments make genocide. Leave parenting to parents, even if they aren't perfect. The government isn't either.

Re: In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much

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Post by thatoneuser » Mon, Mar 25, 2019, 10:40 PM UTC

hakfoo wrote: post #49

thatoneuser wrote: post #39

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It's easy if you believe people should be free to live their lives as they want

Okay, putting asbestos underwear on: In most modern societies, we agree that children have limitations on the "people should be free to live their lives as they want" mindset. Otherwise, we'd be letting four year olds subsist solely on candy, hot dogs, and twenty hours a day of the Best of Elsagate. We've traditionally trusted the compromise for that to parents. But parenting is hard. We're running on a mix of scienc…

I don't care if you do an analysis on the effects of games on kids and Sue the companies that do it. But don't take freedom away from citizens. Even if it's in the name of good. That's how china's bullshit starts.

Re: In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much

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Post by dTal » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 9:52 AM UTC

thatoneuser wrote: post #74

dTal wrote: post #71

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> it's not the state's role to raise our children Why not? "It takes a village to raise a child", they say. The state is the embodiment of communal action. > It's only role should be to make sure the kids are not abused Where is the line between abuse (where the state should intervene) and simply neglectful or poor parenting (which can be very damaging)?

These are hard questions and that's exactly why the state doesn't belong here. Parents make mistakes. Governments make genocide. Leave parenting to parents, even if they aren't perfect. The government isn't either.

A hard question it might be, but you don't get to write it off. If you think the state should intervene in cases of "child abuse" but not "bad parenting", you need to define - and justify - that line.

Re: In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much

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Post by anoncake » Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 5:09 PM UTC

sisu2019 wrote: post #66

anoncake wrote: post #64

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Not quite. Being able to test different paradigms is one reason why we protect liberty, but its not the only one. We also do it because people simply value their autonomy and consider it their right. While the state taking away parents control over their children is bad policy when taken too far, IMHO it doesnt infringe on their rights. That would imply that one could have the right to control another person, which i…

I didn't say it's the only one, but I do think it's big factor in the west's success. And that's what we want: successful problem solving in the space of media consumption for kids and for adults. Parents absolutely have the right and even the duty to raise their children, a lot of which entails telling them what to do and when. If not even the parents have that right then the state, being a group of people, has even…

That right is, in my opinion, quite different from other rights though. Parents dont have the right to raise their children for their own sake, they have it for the sake of their children. It also isnt primarily a right but a duty, it just doesnt make sense to have a duty to do something you have no right to.