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I wish i could setup a time limit like this for my kids‘ games.
You probably could. Windows 10 and XBOX have a family thing where you can set times and block applications. There is an app for android called screentime that does a similar thing. You can also set time limits on PS4 accounts (they have to be PSN account though, I think)
In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much
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#62How can anyone here endorse something like this in any way? I get that video game addiction is a real problem, but constant surveillance is not a healthy alternative. Some people are cool with this because "kids need to be studying or playing outside, not playing video games!". But this is just an instance where your interests happen to shallowly align with the government's. By the time we get to an issue you take of…
The problem is that it is imposed on players without them having a recourse or the possibility to adapt the mechanism to their own benefit (like parents trying to curtail children's playing time, or if you want to limit your own playing time tonight because tomorrow you have to get up early).
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It's easy if you believe people should be free to live their lives as they want
Hardly anyone believes that for children.
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Hardly anyone believes that for children.
As far as this is concerned children are an extension of their parents. What makes individual liberty such a powerful force is that different paradigms can compete peacefully in the same society and everyone can then see what works and what doesn't. So yeah, parent should be able to absolutely block their kids from games and they should also be able to let their kids play them as much as they want (as long as they st…
While the state taking away parents control over their children is bad policy when taken too far, IMHO it doesnt infringe on their rights. That would imply that one could have the right to control another person, which is not a thought Im comfortable with.
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#65How can anyone here endorse something like this in any way? I get that video game addiction is a real problem, but constant surveillance is not a healthy alternative. Some people are cool with this because "kids need to be studying or playing outside, not playing video games!". But this is just an instance where your interests happen to shallowly align with the government's. By the time we get to an issue you take of…
How can people endorse? Pretty easy - cognitive dissonance, projection, vicarious tithing, etc. People are really complacent about other people suffering things they themselves would hate. We're asshole in that way.
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As far as this is concerned children are an extension of their parents. What makes individual liberty such a powerful force is that different paradigms can compete peacefully in the same society and everyone can then see what works and what doesn't. So yeah, parent should be able to absolutely block their kids from games and they should also be able to let their kids play them as much as they want (as long as they st…
Not quite. Being able to test different paradigms is one reason why we protect liberty, but its not the only one. We also do it because people simply value their autonomy and consider it their right. While the state taking away parents control over their children is bad policy when taken too far, IMHO it doesnt infringe on their rights. That would imply that one could have the right to control another person, which i…
Parents absolutely have the right and even the duty to raise their children, a lot of which entails telling them what to do and when. If not even the parents have that right then the state, being a group of people, has even less of a right.
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Okay, putting asbestos underwear on: In most modern societies, we agree that children have limitations on the "people should be free to live their lives as they want" mindset. Otherwise, we'd be letting four year olds subsist solely on candy, hot dogs, and twenty hours a day of the Best of Elsagate. We've traditionally trusted the compromise for that to parents. But parenting is hard. We're running on a mix of scienc…
We can't put an education expert in every home, but we can put all the children in "correct child raising institutions" where they'll follow strict schedules, intense education and balanced diets. So that we'll be sure the kids will be productive elements for the society when they grow up. I bet in a few generations people would start asking questions like "if it wouldn't be the state, who would raise our children?".…
If the kid is old enough, in their teens, they might drain their bank account which was to be used as a college tuition/cost of living fund.
We regulate gambling for good reason. Some of these games, with loot boxes and leveling, manipulate people using known psychologic techniques to make them get that dopamine hit by getting little rewards.
You're missing how industry practices can become manipulative and abusive because they are chasing short term profit for themselves and not long term societal benefits. Regulations come into play to ensure that our society does not suffer due to excessive greed/profit creating manipulative or abusive situations for consumers.
Just because China seems to be willing to regulate to the benefit of their overall society this time in a way that isn't harmful to people's rights (only minors and limited penalty), does not make up for their horrible human rights record and their ongoing abuses.
I say this as an American who was probably a bit too hooked on a few video games as a kid, playing 6-7 hours after school most days on one game in particular through highschool.
An automatic opt in for minors, with an optional ability for parents to opt out their kids, seems like a slightly better way to go if you want parents to have more control over this policy. Behavioral economics says you should allow people to opt out, but by default they should have the policy applied because it takes time and effort to opt in (e.g. opt in vs opt out in policies for organ donation in countries around the world, opt out policy leads to much higher organ donation rates)
What is most highly problematic about this policy is that this system is using the Chinese system of having to identify yourself online and their continued monitoring of you and all your activities, grading them and judging you. It is huge human rights issue in regards to ability to make your thoughts known - political or otherwise. If they implemented it in a way that doesn't use that Chinese social credit system, then I wouldn't have any issue with it.
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#68How can anyone here endorse something like this in any way? I get that video game addiction is a real problem, but constant surveillance is not a healthy alternative. Some people are cool with this because "kids need to be studying or playing outside, not playing video games!". But this is just an instance where your interests happen to shallowly align with the government's. By the time we get to an issue you take of…
How can people endorse? Pretty easy - cognitive dissonance, projection, vicarious tithing, etc. People are really complacent about other people suffering things they themselves would hate. We're asshole in that way.
If a parent demands that a kid eats his veggies instead of the "burgers and ice cream" the kind wants, it's not necessarily suffering.
Or if you still consider it suffering, it's not like all suffering is valid and should be respected.
It's very easy to make everyone happy, giving them whatever they want all the time, doesn't mean its best for them. Not even if they're adults. Not only what someone wants might be bad for them, but what someone wants might also be bad for others (like someone "wanting" to blast his favorite tunes at full volume at 2am). In those cases it's best that they "suffer" not getting what they want.
Re: In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much
#69How can anyone here endorse something like this in any way? I get that video game addiction is a real problem, but constant surveillance is not a healthy alternative. Some people are cool with this because "kids need to be studying or playing outside, not playing video games!". But this is just an instance where your interests happen to shallowly align with the government's. By the time we get to an issue you take of…
It seems to me like the problem in China isn't that they have laws, it's that they're unilaterally applied by a dictatorship. But this idea seems fine. There's no censorship or restricted activity. Nobody's preventing anyone from playing Fortnite, they're just toning back some of its more addictive qualities after a set time period. It's not a fundamental human right to earn XP in Fortnite.
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#70The article uses the term "government" but the citation refers to Tencent doing this voluntarily, as a form of preemptive self-regulation. The distinction is blurred but this does not appear to be a law or public policy at the moment.