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The content of the article is pure propaganda that deliberately conflates news and opinion and conflates sources and information with reporting on sources and information.
Again, pure propaganda. Shame on Taibbi.
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There are people out there with differing views. Red states have internet too.
And not like it justifies the Russians, but MediaMatters bots Reddit for the DNC.
I don't think HackerNews is a big enough target for anyone tbh.
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It's because you're literally pulling a conclusion out of thin air to claim there's something of a trump related "Russia problem". It's not a bot conspiracy - that's lazy propaganda that's been spoon fed to people who dislike trump. There are just a lot of people on HN who see through it, and it's telling that rather than discuss the possibility that trump is clean, you just call them trolls and bots.
> There are just a lot of people on HN who see through it I have seen zero reputable people on HN expressing anything that supports this assertion. > it's telling that rather than discuss the possibility that trump is clean, you just call them trolls and bots. Discuss with whom? The "people" who just downvote anything perceived to be anti-Trump or anti-Russia? That's the point. This isn't the first time that pattern…
Disclosure: I deeply loathe Trump, and I think he is unfit for office; very glad to see Mueller investigation initiated, because there was a lot of smoke and it needed to happen. But the author is very correct. A 'free press' is the 5th estate - an important part of civil society. ... but it only works if they have integrity. Over the last two years it has become clear how narrow and biased they have become in their…
I concur. I dislike Trump's comments about Mexican immigrants as rapists, his recent annexation of Syria's Golan Heights and so on and so forth. My comment history will attest to this. People on the left who are not part of the machine of the Democratic Party - Ralph Nader, Noam Chomsky, many lesser known people in that orbit, have said all along that this whole Trump/Russia thing has been overblown. The Democrats lo…
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/us/border-rapes-migrant-w...
It's crazy in this #MeToo era that this issue isn't more in the spotlight.
1 in 3 women are raped when they make their way to the border. Even Politifact had to agree, though they gave Trump a half-true because they used a sample instead of knowing every person who was raped and taking it "out of context", whatever that means lol.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jan...
Trump said, "One in three women is sexually assaulted on the dangerous journey north."
A 2017 report from Doctors Without Borders said 31.4 percent of women had been sexually abused during their transit through Mexico. That's based on a 2015 survey of more than 400 migrants interviewed in facilities where migrants seek assistance. (The majority of migrants interviewed were men.)
Doctors Without Borders said its report provided a snapshot in time of the perils migrants face, but said it wasn’t necessarily representative of the entire migrant population traveling through Mexico.
Trump’s statement is partially accurate but leaves out important details or takes things out of context. We rate it Half True.
I think the old guard media has misstepped on this, not for ideological reasons but for clicks. More banal certainly, but somehow worse, I think. Even the conservative media continued to talk about it, railing against, because it drives clicks. What we really need, and hopefully comes from this reckoning, is a new model of financing journalism that can be free to act in the public interest, and is built with that in…
I agree with you. At least PBS news seems to honestly attempt to be impartial. Just my opinion but PBS is just on a higher level of honesty and fairness than MSNBC, Fox News, CNN, etc.
From outside It is amazing to see that if you watched only one or the other, the USA appears to be in opposite types of catastrophes.
Similarly with r/politics and r/the_donald, the echo chamber in both of them is so strong, that it prevents rational conversation.
Personally I have seen that CBS News seems more moderate. However I think the best news for any country are the ones provided outside the country (like Aljazeera, BBC, France24, MDR, etc)
I would argue that the US invasion of Iraq (WMD), the Vietnam War (Gulf of Tonkin), or the Spanish-American War (remember the Maine) have exposed the fallibility and blindness of mainstream press to counter-naratives in pursuit of being first / having an article about the issue of the day. The broader point about clicks is that the economic model behind the US press changed from a subsidized press to a for-profit pre…
When was the US press subsidized?
All that is required for the press to function is that someone foots the bill.
They can do so for a variety of reasons. Supported by a political party (Fox is actually returning to earlier times here). Supported as a charity / pet project (the news barons, Bezos). And supported commercially from sales (CNN).
Generally, every news media form in the US has eventually moved to the last.
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...September 11th, 2001? How is that involved? Or did you mean something else?
America does propaganda better than probably any other country on earth, because it’s so interwoven into the fabric of society. Freedom of the press, of speech, of creators is espoused at every opportunity. And at the same time, the Pentagon is required to sign off on every movie script that shows any military buildings, or the White House. And they do make edits [1]. Military officials and commentators helped shape…
How would you prove this isn't happening?
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America does propaganda better than probably any other country on earth, because it’s so interwoven into the fabric of society. Freedom of the press, of speech, of creators is espoused at every opportunity. And at the same time, the Pentagon is required to sign off on every movie script that shows any military buildings, or the White House. And they do make edits [1]. Military officials and commentators helped shape…
The suspicion I have with the 'propaganda being interwoven into the fabric of American society' argument is that it's non-falsifiable. How would you prove this isn't happening?
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People who disagree with you aren't always trolls or bots. There are people out there with differing views. Red states have internet too. And not like it justifies the Russians, but MediaMatters bots Reddit for the DNC. I don't think HackerNews is a big enough target for anyone tbh.
>There are people out there with differing views
Strawmen.
>And not like it justifies the Russians, but MediaMatters bots Reddit for the DNC
Citation? What's your point, anyway? This is just what-aboutism that has nothing to do with the question at-hand. Obviously.
>I don't think HackerNews is a big enough target for anyone tbh
The HN community is sizeable and traffic from articles posted on HN routinely knocks sites offline. Additionally, some of the sharpest technical minds online hang out here. Of course it's a rich target.
Your comment is all deflection and strawmen. Not much unlike the standard propaganda of the day.
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The suspicion I have with the 'propaganda being interwoven into the fabric of American society' argument is that it's non-falsifiable. How would you prove this isn't happening?
Very fair point.
I suppose that's what the ~1850s quote "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" is about. That there is much in a healthy democracy that cannot be mandated or prohibited, but must constantly be observed, thought about, and judged publicly in an open exchange of ideas.