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Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by watwut »

joefife wrote: post #47
justinclift wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ugh. It's a part of their disabilities website, even featuring "an engineer who has Asperger's syndrome". Wow. :(

It is a disability. Sure, Aspergers is usual beneficial to techies from a performance perspective, but it can be a massive disadvantage when dealing with people within an organisation. I used to work for a local authority in an sysadmin position and it was very fortunate that HR understood Aspergers, or my lack of social awareness would have got me sacked a few times. The upside of having Aspergers is only part of th…

It is disadvantage in tech world too. Saying as someone who had collegues like that and seen then shoot themselves and also shoot others (which ended shooting them indirectly) without knowing or meaning to.

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by loriverkutya »

ndnxhs wrote: post #14
newnewpdro wrote: post #4

Wow, this strikes me as unbelievable. How things have changed since the industry was up in arms over Alex St. John's "Recruiting Giants" PDF [1] where he explicitly called out the "holy grail" employee: Be on the look out for the holy-grail... the undiscovered Asperger's engineer. (usually found on open source forums) * They have no social skills * They generally marry the first girl they date * Can't make eye contac…

Wow, I used to work with someone who ticked every one of those boxes. Incredibly knowledgeable and spent all of their free time reading spec documents and programming. Unfortunately they could be emotionally unstable at times which was had to work around.

Please don’t call autistic people as “they”, we are human and please remember if you met one autistic person, you met only one autistic person. We are as different as neurotypical persons are different.

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by ezrast »

odessacubbage wrote: post #33
ericzawo wrote: post #7

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How could anyone stand to work for someone who so swiftly limits the breadth and depth of a person via their mannerisms such as this? it's dehumanizing, full stop.

it kinda came across as a tongue-in-cheek shitpost to me. is this guy known to be an unironically terrible individual or was he just taking the piss out of the semi-exploitative & work fetishising culture of the industry?

Here's the full context of that quote: http://web.archive.org/web/20170119234745/http://www.alexstj...

(spoiler alert, it's the first one)

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by watwut »

BadassFractal wrote: post #10

I'm curious to see what's going to happen when an employee, secretly part of a neurodiversity hiring program, says something that makes someone uncomfortable and that gets reported to HR. Will someone's comfort levels take precedence over the desire to employ someone with difficulty with social cues? Or will we visibly "tag" employees who are neurodiversity hires so that you know that if they somehow offend you, that…

Jerk and someone with asperger is not the same. Some jerks do like to pretend the reason they just can't stop insulting others is asperger, especially on discussion forums. It is not same as the one with asperger.

First, you can actually communicate with people who have asperger and tell them that this or that thing is insulting. They are able to follow the rules typically even is they don't understand them. They also won't be charming toward boss and manipulative toward peer amd then offending junior minority dude.

People with asperger take in feedback, just like neurotypical take in feedback, unlike jerks who refuse to accept being told they have done something wrong. You actually say to someone with asperger that his behavior is offending in specific way and you can expect him to follow. You can't expect him to know unspeaken or subtle rules.

People with asperger are uncomfortable to all around in similar way and you see that in interactions that are not racist sexist or whatever jokes. If someones offending behavior shows up only in such things and only towards weaker people, then it is not asperger.

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by timwaagh »

justinclift wrote: post #27
EnderWT wrote: post #5

Microsoft has a similar program. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/diversity/inside-microsoft/c...

Ugh. It's a part of their disabilities website, even featuring "an engineer who has Asperger's syndrome". Wow. :(

come on man tell me a lifetime of loneliness is a happy thing that should make me proud of how diverse i am or something....

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by loriverkutya »

zerr wrote: post #31
justinclift wrote: post #27

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Ugh. It's a part of their disabilities website, even featuring "an engineer who has Asperger's syndrome". Wow. :(

You can officially get the document of having a "limited ability" with an Autism diagnosis in many countries.

Yeah, in Hungary if you are diagnosed with ASD you are automatically considered as mentally retarded.

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by newnewpdro »

matt-snider wrote: post #55
newnewpdro wrote: post #46

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Are you deliberately misspelling Asperger's in the South Park vernacular [1] to be offensive or something, or is it just a mistake? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ass_Burgers

Wouldn't they have then spelled it as you've written it and not halfway between? Seems to be a typo to me

It's probably a mistake, but South Park has rendered that misspelling/mispronunciation into somewhat of a pejorative.

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by DanBC »

BadassFractal wrote: post #10

I'm curious to see what's going to happen when an employee, secretly part of a neurodiversity hiring program, says something that makes someone uncomfortable and that gets reported to HR. Will someone's comfort levels take precedence over the desire to employ someone with difficulty with social cues? Or will we visibly "tag" employees who are neurodiversity hires so that you know that if they somehow offend you, that…

The assumption here - "autistic people are arseholes" - is probably untrue, and is a perception caused by the number of arseholes who self-diagnose but who wouldn't get an actual dx, and who then use that as an excuse to continue to behave like arseholes.

I know a lot of autistic people, and a few of them are arseholes, but they are entirely ordinary arseholes. Their arseholery is very much the same as the arseholery from NT people, which makes me think it's not the autism.

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by sverhagen »

inertiatic wrote: post #44
justinclift wrote: post #35

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Interesting. It's pretty insulting (of those countries, and Microsoft in this instance). Maybe that's just my viewpoint though. ;)

Only because you think disability is insulting in itself. It only implies a reduced ability, beyond the person's control, to perform in certain circumstances, to a degree that warrants consideration (from society, from the law, whatever). Autism and similar conditions are by that definition disabilities.

Aren't you giving an interpretation that just isn't compatible with the literal meaning of disability? Doesn't it literally mean "unable"? That doesn't sound like a word you'd want to live up to. Maybe something like "challenged" would fit your definition better?

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by rimliu »

loriverkutya wrote: post #62
ndnxhs wrote: post #14

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Wow, I used to work with someone who ticked every one of those boxes. Incredibly knowledgeable and spent all of their free time reading spec documents and programming. Unfortunately they could be emotionally unstable at times which was had to work around.

Please don’t call autistic people as “they”, we are human and please remember if you met one autistic person, you met only one autistic person. We are as different as neurotypical persons are different.

Uhm. I usually call other humans “they”. How else I am supposed to call them?
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