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Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by justinclift »

alimhaq wrote: post #37
justinclift wrote: post #35

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Interesting. It's pretty insulting (of those countries, and Microsoft in this instance). Maybe that's just my viewpoint though. ;)

Just curious, why exactly is it insulting? Would you not classify it as a disability? Why else would they have an autism hiring program if they weren't hindered in some way?

> Would you not classify it as a disability?

Why would you classify Aspergers as a disability?

It's like saying Superman's (yeah, fiction, but it's to highlight the point) x-ray vision is a disability, just because it's something most people don't have.

X-ray vision is clearly not a disability.

Aspergers isn't either.

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by justinclift »

chrisseaton wrote: post #39
justinclift wrote: post #27

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Ugh. It's a part of their disabilities website, even featuring "an engineer who has Asperger's syndrome". Wow. :(

I don’t know how it is in the US but in the UK The Autusim Society themselves describe it as a ‘disability’. And what’s wrong with disabilities anyway that makes you go ‘ugh’?

> The Autusim Society themselves describe it as a ‘disability’.

Yeah, I've heard of "official" places doing that. To me, it seems quite unfortunate they'd take that approach.

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by ma2rten »

justinclift wrote: post #35
zerr wrote: post #31

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You can officially get the document of having a "limited ability" with an Autism diagnosis in many countries.

Interesting. It's pretty insulting (of those countries, and Microsoft in this instance). Maybe that's just my viewpoint though. ;)

I have ADHD. I think it's insulting not recognize neurodevelopment disorders as a disability.

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by inertiatic »

justinclift wrote: post #35
zerr wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can officially get the document of having a "limited ability" with an Autism diagnosis in many countries.

Interesting. It's pretty insulting (of those countries, and Microsoft in this instance). Maybe that's just my viewpoint though. ;)

Only because you think disability is insulting in itself.

It only implies a reduced ability, beyond the person's control, to perform in certain circumstances, to a degree that warrants consideration (from society, from the law, whatever).

Autism and similar conditions are by that definition disabilities.

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by justinclift »

zensavona wrote: post #38
justinclift wrote: post #27

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Ugh. It's a part of their disabilities website, even featuring "an engineer who has Asperger's syndrome". Wow. :(

If not a disability, what would you call it?

Why call it anything?

Blue eyes are... blue eyes. They're not a "disability" either.

What would you call having blue eyes?

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by newnewpdro »

chess93 wrote: post #25
ndnxhs wrote: post #14

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Wow, I used to work with someone who ticked every one of those boxes. Incredibly knowledgeable and spent all of their free time reading spec documents and programming. Unfortunately they could be emotionally unstable at times which was had to work around.

Its not really relevant but the list seems to not actually describe Asbergers but some other collection of symptoms that results from being socially deprived. (However, this probably matches up with popular conception of Asbergers individuals.) I think the "key" is finding people who deal with their problems by diving deep in to technical tasks and becoming absorbed in minutiae. An unnaturally small interest set comb…

Are you deliberately misspelling Asperger's in the South Park vernacular [1] to be offensive or something, or is it just a mistake?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ass_Burgers

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by joefife »

justinclift wrote: post #27
EnderWT wrote: post #5

Microsoft has a similar program. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/diversity/inside-microsoft/c...

Ugh. It's a part of their disabilities website, even featuring "an engineer who has Asperger's syndrome". Wow. :(

It is a disability.

Sure, Aspergers is usual beneficial to techies from a performance perspective, but it can be a massive disadvantage when dealing with people within an organisation.

I used to work for a local authority in an sysadmin position and it was very fortunate that HR understood Aspergers, or my lack of social awareness would have got me sacked a few times.

The upside of having Aspergers is only part of the story.

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by serf »

justinclift wrote: post #27
EnderWT wrote: post #5

Microsoft has a similar program. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/diversity/inside-microsoft/c...

Ugh. It's a part of their disabilities website, even featuring "an engineer who has Asperger's syndrome". Wow. :(

>X-ray vision is clearly not a disability.

>Aspergers isn't either.

X-ray vision was never considered a developmental disorder, because it didn't put Clark Kent at any significant disadvantage during his development.

Asperger's, unfortunately, does.

(I don't count my wheelchair as a super-power because more often than not I have to push up-hill, not glide down. It's a net negative effect on my ableness to cope with normal life.)

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by ma2rten »

justinclift wrote: post #41
alimhaq wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious, why exactly is it insulting? Would you not classify it as a disability? Why else would they have an autism hiring program if they weren't hindered in some way?

> Would you not classify it as a disability? Why would you classify Aspergers as a disability? It's like saying Superman's (yeah, fiction, but it's to highlight the point) x-ray vision is a disability, just because it's something most people don't have. X-ray vision is clearly not a disability. Aspergers isn't either.

X-ray vision doesn't prevent you from doing anything. If x-ray vision would prevent Superman from driving a car, because he couldn't see traffic signs it would qualify as a disability.

Re: Dell Autism Hiring Program

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Post by amval »

justinclift wrote: post #41
alimhaq wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious, why exactly is it insulting? Would you not classify it as a disability? Why else would they have an autism hiring program if they weren't hindered in some way?

> Would you not classify it as a disability? Why would you classify Aspergers as a disability? It's like saying Superman's (yeah, fiction, but it's to highlight the point) x-ray vision is a disability, just because it's something most people don't have. X-ray vision is clearly not a disability. Aspergers isn't either.

Asperger is a developmental disorder that makes social interaction and nonverbal communication significantly harder. It's not a superpower.
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