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Russiagate is a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media

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Re: Russiagate is a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media

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"Conservative" here meaning "content permissible within the narrow window of generally accepted social standards" and not "conservative" as in "the most extreme position expressed by religious firebrands". In any case, what's wrong with ten year old drag queens? That sounds no worse than any typical beauty pageant and probably a lot more fun.

You are right sounds like a good thing to do to a child.

If the kid wants to do it, why not?

Too many girls are forced to into "normal" beauty pageants. Maybe you should focus your aggression that way.

Re: Russiagate is a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media

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This is...utterly delusional, and totally disconnected from the evidence on record. The President's campaign manager, deputy campaign manager, personal lawyer and National Security Advisor have either pled guilty or been convicted of felonies. Despite denying any contacts with Russia, we now know he'd been offered a deal to build the biggest tower in Europe, a payout worth $300 million, during the campaign. During th…

I think you are purposefully ignoring facts, so that high level sentences match your narrative.

Flynn (security advisor for a couple of day) -- was setup. There was no collusion with Russia to change 2016 election outcomes, that Flynn was accused of.

"... made materially false statements and omissions during an interview with the Federal Bureau of Investigation ("FBI") on January 24, 2017, in Washington, D.C. "

[1]https://www.justice.gov/file/1015126/download that's not collusion.

Roger Stone did not have his day in court, and the allegation were are not about directing Foreign powers to do anything.

Certainly hiring a foreign agent to write a document to be used trigger for FBI to initiate opposition party surveillances (like Clinton orchestrated) -- would have been a worthy avenue for Mueller to pursue, if he was about justice

The other indictments had nothing to do with 2016 election and happened for offenses outside 2016 election activities.

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In general, my definition of deep state is:

a shadow government (consisting of elected officials and hired bureaucrats), that performs illegal activities, but blames opposition exact same things they are guilty of.

Whether it is collusion with foreign powers to orchestrate a coup, or abuse of women, or anti-Semitism, or racism, launder money through charities, or get bribes for political favors.

The fact that left-wing media had zero interest in investigative reporting of the deep state, and the true collusions with foreign powers to orchestrate coup in this country --- in an indication of their actual profession (paid propagandists).

Re: Russiagate is a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media

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Disclosure: I loathe Trump. "Despite denying any contacts with Russia, we now know he'd been offered a deal to build the biggest tower in Europe, a payout worth $300 million, during the campaign. " This is a misrepresentation of the facts - it's exactly an example of the very problem mentioned in the article. 1) Donald Trump builds buildings, that's his business. Much like selling coffee Schultz's job. Trump has been…

> Trump did not have any material activity in Russia, and it ended as it became clear Trump would be taking on a political nomination anyhow. Michael Cohen testified that their claims of doing this was a lie, and they continued their business dealings after having claimed to have ceased as a candidate. If they didn't feel they were doing anything improper, why did they lie to the American people and during subsequent…

> If they didn't feel they were doing anything improper, why did they lie to the American people and during subsequent testimony?

One good reason would be that appearances are extremely important in nearly all circumstances, especially when running for office or while in office. People often lie for very dumb, shallow reasons, because of their fear of how something might look. Trump is all about image after all and always has been. His brand has always been his primary business.

Re: Russiagate is a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media

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This is...utterly delusional, and totally disconnected from the evidence on record. The President's campaign manager, deputy campaign manager, personal lawyer and National Security Advisor have either pled guilty or been convicted of felonies. Despite denying any contacts with Russia, we now know he'd been offered a deal to build the biggest tower in Europe, a payout worth $300 million, during the campaign. During th…

> his son-in-law met with the Russian ambassador and asked to use the Russian government's communication system to evade scrutiny by the American intelligence community

I'm just going to attack the weakest part of your post because it is egregious. I disagree with the rest to, but I think other comments do a good enough job of covering my points.

There is overwhelming evidence that Trump sees part of his job as being diplomat-in-chief, going to other countries and making/renegotiating deals. There is no way this attributed motivation of 'evad[ing] scrutiny by the American intelligence community' passes the Occam's Razor test of he wants a quiet place to talk before major public negotiations.

He wouldn't be the first or last president to have a quiet back-channel to a foreign country for negotiating purposes. It could be standard practice for all we know, it isn't a bad idea by any stretch.

Re: Russiagate is a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media

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You are right sounds like a good thing to do to a child.

If the kid wants to do it, why not? Too many girls are forced to into "normal" beauty pageants. Maybe you should focus your aggression that way.

What if I loathe both things?

Re: Russiagate is a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media

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You are right sounds like a good thing to do to a child.

If the kid wants to do it, why not? Too many girls are forced to into "normal" beauty pageants. Maybe you should focus your aggression that way.

> "If the kid wants to do it, why not?"

That's why I let my child eat his own volume in cotton candy.

Re: Russiagate is a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media

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This appears to be propaganda. Unfounded "conclusions" are drawn that support a given side and depricate another side.

Is there anything specific you disagree about it?

'Propaganda' isn't synonymous with 'wrong'.

Re: Russiagate is a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media

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I would argue that the US invasion of Iraq (WMD), the Vietnam War (Gulf of Tonkin), or the Spanish-American War (remember the Maine) have exposed the fallibility and blindness of mainstream press to counter-naratives in pursuit of being first / having an article about the issue of the day.

The broader point about clicks is that the economic model behind the US press changed from a subsidized press to a for-profit press... and yet everyone expected the work product to remain the same?

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