The article looks like propaganda.
Russiagate is a death-blow for the reputation of the American news media
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#32This appears to be propaganda. Unfounded "conclusions" are drawn that support a given side and depricate another side.
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#33Although I agree with many of the points here, unfortunately the piece itself has made the same mistake as the media it criticises: it's jumping to conclusions a little prematurely. Why read so much into the lack of indictments when Mueller's team have agreed to the standard that they cannot indict a sitting president? [1] Let's just wait and see -- I'm fed of speculation at this point. [1] https://www.washingtonpost…
Because to have collusion you need to have multiple parties colluding. They haven't indicted anymore Russians or any other members of the Trump campaign, and no existing indictment has been due to collusion. So even though the President can't be indicted, the indication that no other indictments means that collusion is not a part of the report. There may be other offenses that Trump have committed, but that is even M…
> the indication that no other indictments means that collusion is not a part of the report.
This is incorrect.
"Collusion" isn't a specific crime, but rather, a euphemism for a family of crimes.
We've seen Trump associates charged with and convicted of those crimes, relating to improper communications, obstructing an investigation into foreign influence, lying to the government during an investigation, etc.
We've seen the Russians charged with the related crimes, such as hacking the DNC. We've seen Mueller trace out the connection between GRU and the campaign convicts, via Wikileaks. We've seen multiple Trump associates who lied under oath about their or Trump's financial dealings with Russia. Or in the case of Stone, about many many things.
We've seen additional evidence that Trump is the center of a vast criminal syndicate with ties to Russia, given the multiple branching investigations across jurisdictions, the related campaign finance crimes, and the testimony of his decade-long "fixer".
This is what is looks like when a criminal organization is prosecuted -- and the reason that Trump has not been charged with conspiracy relating to the criminal acts he ordered, acts for which others face jail terms, is policy against indicting a sitting president.
There's no speculation involved, and considerable evidence of their criminality.
What's fanciful is you ignoring all of the facts to say things like:
"Well, it doesn't matter if associates of his are going down for related crimes, and that he's the connecting feature between their criminal acts -- that he hasn't been charged with something made up means that nothing happened!"
(All of that aside, the media is a travesty and their coverage of this has been click-bait driven fantasy.)
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#35It is bizarre when an opinion piece on the death of the American news media, makes the same mistakes as the news media i.e. blending facts and opinion as one and treating editorials as news. For E.g. “There will be people protesting: the Mueller report doesn’t prove anything! What about the 37 indictments? The convictions? The Trump tower revelations? The lies! The meeting with Don, Jr.? The financial matters! There’…
Yes. I agree completely. The part of the media committed to appearing savvy at all costs is definitely part of the problem.
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#36>For years, every pundit and Democratic pol in Washington hyped every new Russia headline like the Watergate break-in. Now, even Nancy Pelosi has said impeachment is out, unless something “so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan” against Trump is uncovered it would be worth their political trouble to prosecut Genuinely confused - is it not worse than Watergate? At least Watergate was done by Americans. The Muel…
It is worse than Watergate. The FBI spied on a Presidential campaign using evidence supplied and paid for by the another candidate.
If the names were changed, Hacker News people would be outraged. They would be mad at the FISA court, mad at the FBI, mad at the media.
Look in the mirror and decide, do you have consistent principles or do they own apply in certain situations.
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#37So Viacom purchasing ad space on a video billboard in Times Square to push the 10 year old drag queen kid named Desmond, fits your version(definition) of conservative?
"Conservative" here meaning "content permissible within the narrow window of generally accepted social standards" and not "conservative" as in "the most extreme position expressed by religious firebrands". In any case, what's wrong with ten year old drag queens? That sounds no worse than any typical beauty pageant and probably a lot more fun.
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.” “The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.” “The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that's all. "
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#38This is...utterly delusional, and totally disconnected from the evidence on record. The President's campaign manager, deputy campaign manager, personal lawyer and National Security Advisor have either pled guilty or been convicted of felonies. Despite denying any contacts with Russia, we now know he'd been offered a deal to build the biggest tower in Europe, a payout worth $300 million, during the campaign. During th…
Are there any factual claims in the article you take issue with or do you just disagree with the overall thesis that the media reported this issue irresponsibly?
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#39This is...utterly delusional, and totally disconnected from the evidence on record. The President's campaign manager, deputy campaign manager, personal lawyer and National Security Advisor have either pled guilty or been convicted of felonies. Despite denying any contacts with Russia, we now know he'd been offered a deal to build the biggest tower in Europe, a payout worth $300 million, during the campaign. During th…
Disclosure: I loathe Trump. "Despite denying any contacts with Russia, we now know he'd been offered a deal to build the biggest tower in Europe, a payout worth $300 million, during the campaign. " This is a misrepresentation of the facts - it's exactly an example of the very problem mentioned in the article. 1) Donald Trump builds buildings, that's his business. Much like selling coffee Schultz's job. Trump has been…
> Trump did not have any material activity in Russia, and it ended as it became clear Trump would be taking on a political nomination anyhow.
Michael Cohen testified that their claims of doing this was a lie, and they continued their business dealings after having claimed to have ceased as a candidate.
If they didn't feel they were doing anything improper, why did they lie to the American people and during subsequent testimony?
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#40So Viacom purchasing ad space on a video billboard in Times Square to push the 10 year old drag queen kid named Desmond, fits your version(definition) of conservative?
"Conservative" here meaning "content permissible within the narrow window of generally accepted social standards" and not "conservative" as in "the most extreme position expressed by religious firebrands". In any case, what's wrong with ten year old drag queens? That sounds no worse than any typical beauty pageant and probably a lot more fun.
You are right sounds like a good thing to do to a child.