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In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much

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Re: In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much

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Post by thaumasiotes »

nsillik wrote: post #16
thaumasiotes wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ancient Greece had a couple major festivals of Dionysus in which it was perfectly acceptable behavior to get roaring drunk and stagger crazily through the public square. You weren't expected to do this, but you could. (One or two times a year.) It makes me curious whether having the rare festival allowing the activity might make it easier to get everyone not to do it the rest of the year.

Also, see: Purim [0] 0: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purim

I believe the European Christian tradition also had a holiday of this type, which was Christmas.

But Christmas now is pretty different.

Re: In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much

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Post by nsillik »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #21
nsillik wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, see: Purim [0] 0: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purim

I believe the European Christian tradition also had a holiday of this type, which was Christmas. But Christmas now is pretty different.

Hedonist festivals were a lot more popular historically.

I was born at the wrong time.

Re: In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much

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Post by sneak »

nsillik wrote: post #10
sneak wrote: post #4

Just because a removal of freedom seems to be beneficial doesn’t make this any less of a human rights abuse. The right to free expression is inherent in all people, and it is unconscionable that the Chinese government censors expression in this way.

> The inalienable right to play Fortnite. All governments restrict certain behaviors: alcohol (dui, public intoication, etc.), drugs(prohibition, prescription only), gambling. Now, it’s fair to say that doing those, and doing them as much or as long as you like, is an inalienable right-like “expression”-is absolutely a position you can take. But all countries seem to agree that we shouldn’t do certain things, at leas…

No, the inalienable right to publish creative works without the government forcing you to add or remove content or features.

If they didn’t protect this in the United States, your iPhone would have an FBI backdoor in it as of the last iOS update. It does not, because there are some people in the US who still believe that the government does not have the right to serve as your product manager or editorial board.

Re: In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much

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Post by ryan93 »

ssnistfajen wrote: post #20
sneak wrote: post #4

Just because a removal of freedom seems to be beneficial doesn’t make this any less of a human rights abuse. The right to free expression is inherent in all people, and it is unconscionable that the Chinese government censors expression in this way.

You must have not heard of parental control features. Is limiting a child's screen time also "human rights abuse"?

Moron

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Post by crooked-v »

sitzkrieg wrote: post #3

Many games in China implement limits like this. World of warcraft has a fatigue system that scales xp for example

The difference with WoW is that it frames it as a temporary bonus for time logged out, rather than a penalty for time logged in, with the "normal" progression being the lower rate.

Re: In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much

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Post by nsillik »

sneak wrote: post #23
nsillik wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The inalienable right to play Fortnite. All governments restrict certain behaviors: alcohol (dui, public intoication, etc.), drugs(prohibition, prescription only), gambling. Now, it’s fair to say that doing those, and doing them as much or as long as you like, is an inalienable right-like “expression”-is absolutely a position you can take. But all countries seem to agree that we shouldn’t do certain things, at leas…

No, the inalienable right to publish creative works without the government forcing you to add or remove content or features. If they didn’t protect this in the United States, your iPhone would have an FBI backdoor in it as of the last iOS update. It does not, because there are some people in the US who still believe that the government does not have the right to serve as your product manager or editorial board.

This is an interesting distinction. I wonder how, or if, China’s regulations would differ if it were free (freedom and/or beer). But, I think a country has a certain right to regulate when it comes to commerce, especially foreign commerce.

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Post by bspammer »

crooked-v wrote: post #25
sitzkrieg wrote: post #3

Many games in China implement limits like this. World of warcraft has a fatigue system that scales xp for example

The difference with WoW is that it frames it as a temporary bonus for time logged out, rather than a penalty for time logged in, with the "normal" progression being the lower rate.

This isn't specifically a Chinese thing, when I played (in Europe) this mechanic was a thing.

Re: In China, 'Fortnite' Penalizes Minors for Playing Too Much

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Post by thoughtstheseus »

ssnistfajen wrote: post #20
sneak wrote: post #4

Just because a removal of freedom seems to be beneficial doesn’t make this any less of a human rights abuse. The right to free expression is inherent in all people, and it is unconscionable that the Chinese government censors expression in this way.

You must have not heard of parental control features. Is limiting a child's screen time also "human rights abuse"?

No, we are not talking about parents. Unless you are implying that people should receive their social, cultural, etc. values from a government?

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Post by Retra »

sneak wrote: post #7
troquerre wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a world where we find that certain game mechanics trigger the same reactions in our brains as gambling, in which case limiting/regulating game time is not a bad thing.

They aren’t limiting game time. They are censoring publishers from publishing their game as written. It is absolutely a bad thing, even if you think the end result is a benefit - that was my point. Separately, the laws against gambling are similarly infringing upon basic human rights to free association and free communication/expression.

How is it 'absolutely' a bad thing, even in the cases where people are saying it is a good thing?
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