Classism works both ways. I can’t fucking stand poor people who have nothing more to hate on rich people about than that they have money. And the converse is true, rich people who think poverty is some moral failing. This article is riddled with, fuck people who have more than me. Ugh, get the fuck over yourself, no matter what social position you may have happened to find yourself in. Not ‘Fuck The Vessel’ just ‘Fuck You’.
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
I work at WTC and this is exactly how I feel about the area under the Oculus connecting the Brookfield Mall. It's like a scene out of Gattaca, a massive dizzyling underground mall/complex with no natural light filled with luxury shops that no one appears to actually shop at. Everyone walks through in a daze, seemingly impressed by the magnitude of the cavern but at the same I can't help to think they feel as equally…
> luxury shops that no one appears to actually shop at 3D walk-in billboards.
Exactly, I think of them as exhibits. I've looked at brick and mortar as museums for a long time and I'm not the only one.
My wonderment and praise for the gallery curator shattered by the clerk trying to upsell me on a store credit card or data mining loyalty program.
"Why are you talking?"
Must be the quizzical expression my face makes as I take slightly too long to reply.
For actually purchasing something going into a retail store is basically a game of "how is the sales person going to lie to me today". It should come with a laugh track streamed live on twitch.
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#23TLDR: The author has still to come to terms with the meaninglessness, contrivance and absurdity of her own life and of everything around her, and has been pushed by a meaningless, contrived and absurd building to write a similarly meaningless and contrived article. Oblivious to this, she is pushes herself even further into the void of meaninglessness, contrivance and absurdity. The capitalist pigs score yet another g…
Exactly.
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#24Personally, I like the look of it and the idea of walking around it whilst taking pictures. I can appreciate the argument that it may descriminate against people with disabilities due to lack of elevators (if that is true). To be fair I also think it looks somewhat shwarmaish, but really what is wrong with that? After all its in the "Big Apple"!
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#25I visited Hudson Yards and the Vessel on the opening day. I don't find the Vessel itself to be as architecturally offensive as others, I think it's a fine idea. A seven story mall, however, is a preposterous idea. In a day and age when malls are dying. Especially in a city! Malls were made to emulate city centers, and Manhattan already is great to wander around. The whole experience is just so very clearly synthetic.…
I work at WTC and this is exactly how I feel about the area under the Oculus connecting the Brookfield Mall. It's like a scene out of Gattaca, a massive dizzyling underground mall/complex with no natural light filled with luxury shops that no one appears to actually shop at. Everyone walks through in a daze, seemingly impressed by the magnitude of the cavern but at the same I can't help to think they feel as equally…
> with no natural light
I mean, I agree with you a lot, but the Oculus itself is tons of natural light, it's all soaring windows:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ZQvDMR-aOZc/maxresdefault.jpg
The above-ground Oculus structure is beautiful and inspiring in a way little architecture in that part of the city is.
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#26Well, at least it's better than Metronome.
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#27It's not that I think this building (or attraction or whatever) is beautiful and worthwhile. It's just that I don't care that much and I'm a bit skeptical of people who do. I don't think it would matter what kind of sculpture/attraction/landmark/etc was built here -- people would still be criticizing it because there are a lot of people who pour derision onto everything the ultra-rich do. It's like a hobby.
I think the two main motivators of this behavior are 1. jealousy and 2. a way for middle class people to distract themselves from the emptiness of their own lives: "Look at those rich people, their lives are so empty! They are so tasteless and they don't understand what really matters." Little do they know that rich people are distracting themselves from the emptiness of their lives by building this kind of stuff in the first place.
Me personally, I find it hard to criticize people who are building things. I wonder what the thousands of people who built these buildings think of them. I'm all ears if someone wants to make a serious case about what should have been built here instead and who should have paid for it. But this isn't that.
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#28From https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/hudson-ya... > Hudson Yards is a private space masquerading as a public one ... In reality it is an enclave, a high-end corporate park buoyed by six billion dollars in tax breaks—an amount that dwarfs the subsidies offered to Amazon for its scuttled Queens headquarters—and designed as a kind of amenity-stuffed Hotel California that its residents never have to le…
> an amount that dwarfs the subsidies offered to Amazon one thing I really love about NYC is how easy it is to deflect attention and get what you want exhibit A: "tech workers" make the same amount in NYC as they do in the Bay Area, they fly completely under the radar and the inequality warriors point fingers at finance instead, serving to highlight the fickle nature of an unorganized protest where the cause/perpetua…
Hudson Yards is way more than a standard tax break bonanza. Tax-free City and state authority bonds were issued to finance it.
The Amazon deal was all about NYS politics and the changes in leadership in the state legislature.
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#29I mean, I'm not a big fan of Hudson Yards...
...but this piece doesn't seem to make any coherent argument. Nowhere does she explain why she dislikes it aesthetically.
She simply seems to dislike that it was designed to be Instagrammable (is that so bad for art/sculpture which is inherently visual?), has some bizarre thoughts on climbing staircases (she's against climbing the Eiffel Tower as well, does she hate exercise?) and using elevators, and was unhappy with an attempted policy on photo usage that has now been changed.
Feels like fake outrage to me.
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#30Classism works both ways. I can’t fucking stand poor people who have nothing more to hate on rich people about than that they have money. And the converse is true, rich people who think poverty is some moral failing. This article is riddled with, fuck people who have more than me. Ugh, get the fuck over yourself, no matter what social position you may have happened to find yourself in. Not ‘Fuck The Vessel’ just ‘Fuc…
> no matter what social position you may have happened to find yourself in
People don't "find themselves" in a social position. It isn't like they wandered into the wrong part of town. People suffering poverty are angry about wealth because it represents something withheld from them by an opaque and unfair system (how opaque and how unfair is the only thing under debate). Rich people who think poverty is a moral failing are afraid of losing what they have and in need of a feeling of intrinsic superiority because their greatest anxiety is that they don't deserve what they have.