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Fuck The Vessel
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#12The work reminds me of this young adult Sci-Fi story I read when I was a kid:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Stairs_(Sleator_novel...
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#13Everyone's a fucking critic.
The author is an architecture critic.
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#14“Fuck the vessel” can be taken more than one way. But that aside, I think is is great to have something weird in a city you can go visit. Something unusual that isn’t a business or a residence or a road. I think people stuck in a city all the time are missing out on nature, but something like the Vessel is an opportubity to escape and do something pointless for a few minutes.
> I think is is great to have something weird in a city you can go visit. Something unusual that isn’t a business or a residence or a road
In my experience of walking around cities I visit, you find this kind of thing just as soon as you stop(!) following your tourist map and/or blog post listing "20 best things to see in Florence/London/Paris/Berlin/$wherever".
"Weird" things are - and have always been - there just waiting to be found. We really don't need Heatherwick to build them.
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#15I visited Hudson Yards and the Vessel on the opening day. I don't find the Vessel itself to be as architecturally offensive as others, I think it's a fine idea. A seven story mall, however, is a preposterous idea. In a day and age when malls are dying. Especially in a city! Malls were made to emulate city centers, and Manhattan already is great to wander around. The whole experience is just so very clearly synthetic.…
I work at WTC and this is exactly how I feel about the area under the Oculus connecting the Brookfield Mall. It's like a scene out of Gattaca, a massive dizzyling underground mall/complex with no natural light filled with luxury shops that no one appears to actually shop at. Everyone walks through in a daze, seemingly impressed by the magnitude of the cavern but at the same I can't help to think they feel as equally empty and drained by it as me.
Developments like Hudson Yards seem to be cargo culturing culture. If we build a public arts space, offices, restaurants, shops, and a playground then surely people will arrive, right?! Feels very weird.
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#16I visited Hudson Yards and the Vessel on the opening day. I don't find the Vessel itself to be as architecturally offensive as others, I think it's a fine idea. A seven story mall, however, is a preposterous idea. In a day and age when malls are dying. Especially in a city! Malls were made to emulate city centers, and Manhattan already is great to wander around. The whole experience is just so very clearly synthetic.…
I work at WTC and this is exactly how I feel about the area under the Oculus connecting the Brookfield Mall. It's like a scene out of Gattaca, a massive dizzyling underground mall/complex with no natural light filled with luxury shops that no one appears to actually shop at. Everyone walks through in a daze, seemingly impressed by the magnitude of the cavern but at the same I can't help to think they feel as equally…
> luxury shops that no one appears to actually shop at
3D walk-in billboards.
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#17From https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/hudson-ya... > Hudson Yards is a private space masquerading as a public one ... In reality it is an enclave, a high-end corporate park buoyed by six billion dollars in tax breaks—an amount that dwarfs the subsidies offered to Amazon for its scuttled Queens headquarters—and designed as a kind of amenity-stuffed Hotel California that its residents never have to le…
> an amount that dwarfs the subsidies offered to Amazon
one thing I really love about NYC is how easy it is to deflect attention and get what you want
exhibit A: "tech workers" make the same amount in NYC as they do in the Bay Area, they fly completely under the radar and the inequality warriors point fingers at finance instead, serving to highlight the fickle nature of an unorganized protest where the cause/perpetuator of inequality is so easily interchangeable to whoever is the richest. Granted, these cities don't really know much about each other's struggles, so you see a lot of the same arguments rehashed and evolve in different ways ie: Austin recently dealt with a cultural appropriation uproar over a "Bodega", and not cultural appropriation from NYC lol, its just whoever is the loudest.
exhibit B: Walmart is practically banned from NYC in an effort to save/protect local businesses, while every major, minor, and luxury retailer enjoys larger than life flagship versions of their stores positioned in space constrained Manhattan.
exhibit C: The way tax breaks are made relevant news at all. Hudson Yards isn't the only place getting it.
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#18Well at the very least one thing it has in common with the Eiffel Tower is that both were initially met with universal derision. The Eiffel Tower is now one of the most iconic and beloved landmarks in Paris...time will tell if the "Vessel" gets the same treatment.
The things met by universal derision then kept that reputation is by far the larger set.
Additionally, the Eiffel tower mostly drew criticism during its construction[0], not once it was finished. If the vessel could muster the "it's not finished" defence, then that would probably settle people down. It does look like a cool start on something impressive, but the vacuousness that Wagner objects to shows: the thing looks unfinished, a cool 3d printed prototype you made to look at and then put on a shelf after 10 minutes.
Frankly the pictures form the actual construction were more impressive than the finished things, just because before completion you could always try to imagine it completed as something more.
[0]: https://www.csmonitor.com/Books/chapter-and-verse/2015/1120/...
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#19“Fuck the vessel” can be taken more than one way. But that aside, I think is is great to have something weird in a city you can go visit. Something unusual that isn’t a business or a residence or a road. I think people stuck in a city all the time are missing out on nature, but something like the Vessel is an opportubity to escape and do something pointless for a few minutes.
> I think is is great to have something weird in a city you can go visit. Something unusual that isn’t a business or a residence or a road In my experience of walking around cities I visit, you find this kind of thing just as soon as you stop(!) following your tourist map and/or blog post listing "20 best things to see in Florence/London/Paris/Berlin/$wherever". "Weird" things are - and have always been - there just…
I agree. I used to follow the “Lonely Planet” guides but now I’d rather plan as little as possible. You’ll bump into people to recommend stuff. There are exceptions e.g. long hikes need some planning.
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#20Everyone's a fucking critic.
Well, her criticism was deemed worthy of inclusion in the US Library of Congress.