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> In December, Cheatham, her children and their father qualified for a three-bedroom, two-bathroom house in Mountain View.

> The couple isn’t completely reconciled, but they came together to provide a roof — one that’s not welded to a chassis — over their children’s heads.

> “We’re working things out,” said Cheatham, 37. “The most important thing is to have a stable place for our kids.”

It's amazing to me to see / hear of parents, who even after disagreeing badly enough to divorce, are able to come together to care for their children. It's hard for me to even fathom how much work and humility that would take. That they were willing to talk to each other at all is, in its own right, remarkable.

I have been fortunate enough to have always lived in a secure home, and I've never needed to sleep in a car out of necessity- the only times I've gone camping are as a Boy Scout (okay, Scouts BSA member), when a warm shower was only a day or two away. As for the policies: Cars are, besides being a little awkward to sleep in, a lot more secure than a tent is (and more fireproof, to boot). With the understanding that all it takes is one mistake for a poor family to become an even poorer, homeless family, I feel like a lot of these "parking overnight, or being homeless = vagrance = illegal = fines" laws can be a little out of touch- they're generally written by college-educated politicians, many of whom have never had to do anything of the like, and who don't understand that a $50 fine when you can't even pay rent is really bad.

Why does it seem to be that we, at least in America, punish the poor for being poor, instead of, or even at the same time that we try to help them up?

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It seems like an organized approach to homelessness that allowed vehicle camping but put systematic restrictions on it could be fairly effective. There could even be something like a "white list" where people could apply for a camping permit and have it revoked for bad behavior. Of course, you could also allow camps on private property with provisions to meet basic health and conditions. Both these measures would und…

People living in cars isn't so bad if they run on electricity. But having people heating their "homes" with a size-optimized ICE burning gasoline is terrible for air quality. Car engines aren't designed to be heaters. I had imagined at one point having parking garages constructed for this very purpose to be used as homeless shelters.

Obviously, if you were allowing camping in a regulated fashion, you would want to require motorhomes designed for the purpose of camping. These usually have propane furnaces.

There would be quite a few considerations. I would pretty say that these hypothetically could be worked but in reality those who just didn't want this at all would object and the situation could never happen in modern reality.

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Van Life is becoming super popular, not just for the homeless, but for a generation of people who want to live on a limited income and travel. Theres people building out buses/vans and living in california, working tech, banking their money to retire early. About 20 years ago, I was working at ATT and we had contractors living in their travel trailers parked in the work parking lot at our datacenters, so its not a new occurance.

The big thing I found interesting was the lawsuit angle that it discrimination for disabled homeless, that living in a tent is legal, but living in an RV is illegal. RV's and Tents are spreading all around major cities, its getting quite bad up here in Seattle, tourists are mentioning it all the time, its visibile from the highways.

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>(EDITORS: STORY CAN END HERE) Looks like someone forgot to proofread.

Looks like it's a story that came in from a wire service, particularly since the writer and story are both from San Diego, but this is an LA publication. I guess that's the risk of just mindlessly hooking up your CMS to someone else's feed. (Yup, there are lots of other hits for this exact story published elsewhere; other publications seem to have done a better job filtering out these notes to the editor: https://www…

This seems to be the original. It even has a picture! https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/sd-m...

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Van Life is becoming super popular, not just for the homeless, but for a generation of people who want to live on a limited income and travel. Theres people building out buses/vans and living in california, working tech, banking their money to retire early. About 20 years ago, I was working at ATT and we had contractors living in their travel trailers parked in the work parking lot at our datacenters, so its not a ne…

Forget about the views for a second, even sq footage isn't lacking that much. Million dollar homes (that need to be demolished) with that sq footage cost probably millions in that area. So call it renting a small house with a $15 million view. Kinda. Oh, and you can move it.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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> “If you allow people to sleep in their vehicles, you will eventually have open camping all along our view corridors“ Reminds me of the whole Vinod Khosla drama up in NorCal [1]. Seems like muscling in on access to a beautiful view / beach and trying to gatekeep it is a common pastime for more than one wealthy Californian. 1: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/technology/california-bea...

It's terribly phrased, but shanty towns present a host of problems no matter where they are.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Our public policy often chooses to subsidize free parking by making large chunks of land available for free use by automobiles.

Modern technology allows permanent structures to be much more space-efficient for housing by building many stories high. However, the use of such technology is often banned and structures are limited to one or two stories. Also, even for one-story structures, rules often require eg. 6000 sqft of land to be used for a 1500 sqft house. These rules all result in significant surplus land wealth being required (or expensively rented) for people to obtain permanent housing.

Is it any wonder that, faced with these constraints, people are choosing to live in one-story homes on free land? Government policy is practically begging for it.

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