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Car campers in beach parking lots

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Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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> 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons > We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact webmaster@bakersfield.com or call (661) 395-7500. Another reason to support article 11, 13 or 17.

Care to elucidate? Those articles won't compel this paper to show you this stuff.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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> “If you allow people to sleep in their vehicles, you will eventually have open camping all along our view corridors“

Reminds me of the whole Vinod Khosla drama up in NorCal [1]. Seems like muscling in on access to a beautiful view / beach and trying to gatekeep it is a common pastime for more than one wealthy Californian.

1: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/technology/california-bea...

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Living in Berkeley/Oakland area I'm torn on this one we have a growing problem with tent encampments (in SF too) I don't know if this is anything but a cosmetic solution but its an interesting tact allowing people to overnight in vehicles.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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It seems like an organized approach to homelessness that allowed vehicle camping but put systematic restrictions on it could be fairly effective. There could even be something like a "white list" where people could apply for a camping permit and have it revoked for bad behavior.

Of course, you could also allow camps on private property with provisions to meet basic health and conditions.

Both these measures would undermine the scarcity of housing itself, which goes against the interests of both landlords and homeowners. So I doubt either will happen soon.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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> 451: Unavailable due to legal reasons > We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time. For any issues, contact webmaster@bakersfield.com or call (661) 395-7500. Another reason to support article 11, 13 or 17.

How could those possibly solve the problem? They won't remove the cost of complying with GDPR. [Edit: sorry, I didn't get the sarcasm :) ]

It was sarcasm, all 3 articles once implemented on EU scale will make web even worse than GDPR made it.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Living in Berkeley/Oakland area I'm torn on this one we have a growing problem with tent encampments (in SF too) I don't know if this is anything but a cosmetic solution but its an interesting tact allowing people to overnight in vehicles.

It seems unambiguously better, since the alternative to living in an RV would in most cases be... living in a tent.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Here it is on the wayback machine for EU users getting a 451 error. https://web.archive.org/web/20190322180054/https://www.baker...

So either

  1) They are targetting EU users and serving to EU users and thus the block is pointless
  2) They aren't targetting EU users and thus the block is pointless

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Living in Berkeley/Oakland area I'm torn on this one we have a growing problem with tent encampments (in SF too) I don't know if this is anything but a cosmetic solution but its an interesting tact allowing people to overnight in vehicles.

Lots of people (~10-100 cars) park at the Berkeley marina daily - it's a popular spot for those living vehicles.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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It seems like an organized approach to homelessness that allowed vehicle camping but put systematic restrictions on it could be fairly effective. There could even be something like a "white list" where people could apply for a camping permit and have it revoked for bad behavior. Of course, you could also allow camps on private property with provisions to meet basic health and conditions. Both these measures would und…

People living in cars isn't so bad if they run on electricity. But having people heating their "homes" with a size-optimized ICE burning gasoline is terrible for air quality. Car engines aren't designed to be heaters.

I had imagined at one point having parking garages constructed for this very purpose to be used as homeless shelters.

Re: Car campers in beach parking lots

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How could those possibly solve the problem? They won't remove the cost of complying with GDPR. [Edit: sorry, I didn't get the sarcasm :) ]

It was sarcasm, all 3 articles once implemented on EU scale will make web even worse than GDPR made it.

Only when the politicians have a low enough average age that they actually use computers themselves (and find out how unusable the web is already) will they possible revise or eliminate the restrictions.

One big problem with tech regulation right now, particular that which involves the internet, is that the old farts making the rules are barely skilled enough to send emails. Not only do they have no concept of how they're ruining things, but they don't have to suffer the consequences.

Imagine if every time they changed the channel on their TV, they had to stop and drive a cursor to _somewhere_ on the screen to find the correct button to press to get past the popup and watch the channel they were hoping to watch.

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