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Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

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Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

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Post by vtange »

Ancalagon wrote: post #2

If ever there were a reason to get politicians on the side of breaking up Google (or any other tech company), I imagine this would be it.

Wouldn't a breakup/decentralization of Google, or any American multinational for that matter, just hand Chinese tech giants a massive advantage since the Internet as it is now heavily favors large, centralized organizations? I don't see people arguing for the breakup of the tech giants across the Pacific even though they hardly have a better reputation when it comes to privacy, etc.

By the way, I highly anticipate that the above argument will be made by said multinationals to prevent said breakup/anti-monopoly moves.

Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

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Post by mc32 »

jorblumesea wrote: post #15

I think it's ironic that partnerships with the Pentagon get axed, but projects with an authoritarian state go forward. Seems like a double standard.

It probably has to do with potential revenue. They can afford their signaling when it’s relatively small money but they can’t pass up big money.

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Post by ehsankia »

jorblumesea wrote: post #15

I think it's ironic that partnerships with the Pentagon get axed, but projects with an authoritarian state go forward. Seems like a double standard.

Which project with authoritarian state went forward?

https://theintercept.com/2018/12/17/google-china-censored-se...

Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

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Post by paleotrope »

hodgesrm wrote: post #9
Ancalagon wrote: post #2

If ever there were a reason to get politicians on the side of breaking up Google (or any other tech company), I imagine this would be it.

If so that motivation would apply to politicians in many countries and not just the US. Multi-national companies are starting to look a lot less stable.

That was always the flaw in the multi-national company concept. Even if you are completely in the cloud your people still have to live somewhere and perhaps more importantly, your money has to sit in some country somewhere.

And Switzerland isn't what it used to be for banking security.

Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

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Post by apercu »

sct202 wrote: post #16
mtgx wrote: post #7

It's amazing what companies will put up with if China only hints at giving them "access to the Chinese market". https://9to5google.com/2019/03/21/nokia-7-plus-sending-data-... https://www.lightreading.com/mobile/5g/nokia-at-risk-of-chin...

Perverse incentives. Stock goes down if you have low growth or miss expectations, and China is such a huge unaccessible market that would be easy gains if the door was opened.

Yep, short-sighted, too. Because in a few years all of your tech will have been stolen by the companies the government forces you to work with in order to enter the market. Obviously google knows this and someone has done a cost/benefit analysis and has decided that they will be personally rewarded so it's worth it. :)

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Post by CharlesColeman »

vtange wrote: post #21
Ancalagon wrote: post #2

If ever there were a reason to get politicians on the side of breaking up Google (or any other tech company), I imagine this would be it.

Wouldn't a breakup/decentralization of Google, or any American multinational for that matter, just hand Chinese tech giants a massive advantage since the Internet as it is now heavily favors large, centralized organizations? I don't see people arguing for the breakup of the tech giants across the Pacific even though they hardly have a better reputation when it comes to privacy, etc. By the way, I highly anticipate th…

> By the way, I highly anticipate that the above argument will be made by said multinationals to prevent said breakup/anti-monopoly moves.

Zuckerberg made that argument months ago, surprise, surprise:

https://www.recode.net/2018/7/18/17584482/mark-zuckerberg-ch...

> Mark Zuckerberg says breaking up Facebook would pave the way for China’s tech companies to dominate

Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

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Post by president »

sct202 wrote: post #16
mtgx wrote: post #7

It's amazing what companies will put up with if China only hints at giving them "access to the Chinese market". https://9to5google.com/2019/03/21/nokia-7-plus-sending-data-... https://www.lightreading.com/mobile/5g/nokia-at-risk-of-chin...

Perverse incentives. Stock goes down if you have low growth or miss expectations, and China is such a huge unaccessible market that would be easy gains if the door was opened.

This growth-at-all-costs mindset is ultimately crippling our society. We are essentially giving away our freedoms and giving into a country that is exploiting this mindset.

Re: Google's Work with China Eroding US Military Advantage, Dunford Says

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Post by yingw787 »

president wrote: post #14

Well, when you have a company for which a large majority of its employees are from countries outside of the U.S., some of which are extremely nationalist and hold anti-American views, you will end up having some decisions made that are anti-American. EDIT: To the down-voters, I don't think you are understanding my post. I have worked with plenty of people who would love to see the downfall of the U.S. Many of the the…

I believe Sergey Brin came to the U.S. from the Soviet Union and was the driving force behind Google pulling out of China around the early 2010s (except for Hong Kong).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/7503641/Sergey...

I think your assertion needs to be backed by evidence.

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