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So you want your app/website to work in China

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Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by yorwba »

abc-xyz wrote: post #126
dang wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't post political/national rants to HN. They are all the same, making them tedious, and they lead to flamewars, which produce even-less-interesting scorched earth. None of this serves intellectual curiosity, which is what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I really don't understand this line of thinking.. if someone (whether it's a country, company, person) engage in evil behavior then of course we should do everything possible to dissuade others from supporting them until they change. It's possible for this site to serve intellectual curiosity without directly supporting an evil regime that put Muslims in concentration camps, engage in medical genocide (organ harvesti…

Did spectramax's comment contain any new information for you? Do you think it contained new information for anyone? Judging by the responses, that's not the case. Posting what can be summed up as "The government of country X is evil." predictably leads to comparisons with the US government, all of which is just noise. It's certainly not going to dissuade anyone from supporting them, since nobody thinks of their actions as supporting them. If you actually want to change someone's behavior, you're going to need a different kind of argument and make sure to avoid flame-baiting.

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by lawrencegs »

lawrencegs wrote: post #29
tonyaiken wrote: post #12

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You can still use them, but a different URL. Google has a CDN in China for those fonts and stuff. Also Google Analytics are not blocked at all in China.

How about Recaptcha?

My bad, what I really meant is: What are the suitable replacement for Recaptcha?

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by yixiang »

yixiang wrote: post #91

I'm Chinese. It's not that bad. * I've been hosting my Chinese blog in US vps since 2009 and it works fine. * I have Gitea hosted in US vps and it works fine too. * GoDaddy has Alipay (sort of China's PayPal) up for a long time. * ICP Licenses are easy to get (at least for Chinese) and typically take less a month. I've done it for my company's websites and my clients' websites. * ICP licenses are required only if you…

CN2 is basically a fast lane to China that you can buy from one of China's biggest internet providers (China Telecom). It has two flavors, CN2GT[0] and CN2GIA[1], CN2GIA is said to be faster.

Some vps providers buy these fast lanes, make their vps fast to access in China, and sell them to hungry Chinese users. The most popular one is Bandwagon[2].

[0] https://www.ctamericas.com/products-services/internet/global...

[1] https://www.ctamericas.com/products-services/internet/global...

[2] https://bandwagonhost.com/cart.php

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by squishysquid »

icedchocolate wrote: post #139

Honestly, I wouldn’t make it available in China. I want to give them a reason to take that firewall down. I don’t want to make the prison that their government has turned their country into, a sustainable one.

they don't have a reason though it functions as protectionism for their native IT industry. They have there own set of large tech companies in googles place. They have their own version of all these apps/webservices ect.

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by abc-xyz »

yorwba wrote: post #141
abc-xyz wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't understand this line of thinking.. if someone (whether it's a country, company, person) engage in evil behavior then of course we should do everything possible to dissuade others from supporting them until they change. It's possible for this site to serve intellectual curiosity without directly supporting an evil regime that put Muslims in concentration camps, engage in medical genocide (organ harvesti…

Did spectramax's comment contain any new information for you? Do you think it contained new information for anyone? Judging by the responses, that's not the case. Posting what can be summed up as "The government of country X is evil." predictably leads to comparisons with the US government, all of which is just noise. It's certainly not going to dissuade anyone from supporting them, since nobody thinks of their actio…

It doesn't need to contain new information in order to be relevant. Their behavior may not affect you but I can guarantee that it affects other people, such as myself. I believe doing what's the morally right thing to do is more important than earning a few extra bucks.

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by alexcnwy »

freshm087 wrote: post #96
alexcnwy wrote: post #86

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the internet will become impossible to censor (for everyone - it’s already easy for the rich to avoid censorship) when satellite connections become cheaper / faster / more accessible

In many countries sending something over a satellite requires registration (which can be used for control subsequently), or even a license. Unless it will be a type of technology which is very hard to block, and locate, I wouldn't expect it to beat censorship.

how do you imagine they would police it?

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by alexcnwy »

ISL wrote: post #89
alexcnwy wrote: post #86

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the internet will become impossible to censor (for everyone - it’s already easy for the rich to avoid censorship) when satellite connections become cheaper / faster / more accessible

Only when it is not possible to direction-find a transceiver and place their owner in jail would satellite connections transcend censorship.

when everyone has one

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by tilolebo »

My 2 cents running your app in China:

* make it as decoupled as possible from your core infra. What you spare on infra costs caused by redundancy, you will spend in maintenance time, outage mitigation, etc.

* no synchronous call going out of China mainland, otherwise you become dependent of the Great Firewall and that is not something you want

* expect lower quality of documentation and support

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by kbumsik »

victornomad wrote: post #4

My best best advices are not listed there - Stop using Google CDNs - Stop using Google fonts - Don't put Google Analytics in the header (or don't use it) otherwise will block/delay the browser load the website. Most of the websites just timeout because of those 3 things and make the website imposible to navigate. If you host your website in a normal VPS, without using Google services you will have a quite nice chance…

I'm always surprised how Golang got so popular in China in such environments.
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