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Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by realusername »

straxorx wrote: post #14
realusername wrote: post #11

Why bother? There's no internet in China anyway, whatever hacks you are going to use, the result will be completely random at best and your website working or not there is just a matter of luck. Even the big IT companies can't make it work so why would you?

this is why you don't understand how important is china market is. China is getting better and bigger.

That's irrelevant with my comment, China does not have a real legal system, the CCP has full power. Whatever you are building will be blocked if moderately popular to let a local competitor take that space. All these certifications mentioned on this website have approximately the same value as the paper it's written on.

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by fungi »

if there is anything remotely dynamic in your app go with option 2.

i've mainland proxied and cached the hell out of everything i can, warm the caches daily, but once the user starts interacting (eg search) then hitting our servers really bites randomly. usually not so bad for honkers server, but even that route can randomly drop off the face of the planet.

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by realusername »

snaky wrote: post #19
realusername wrote: post #11

Why bother? There's no internet in China anyway, whatever hacks you are going to use, the result will be completely random at best and your website working or not there is just a matter of luck. Even the big IT companies can't make it work so why would you?

> There's no internet in China anyway More than 40% of the world's e-commerce transactions currently take place in China. The United States’ share of the market is 24%, down from 35% in 2005.

Yes, on their local Intranet.

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by fungi »

zoom6628 wrote: post #5

Ive lived in mainland China most of last 12 years and work in software. The last paragraph is key one for most websites. You have to remove use of all G, FB and related site scripts because these will not run. There are good alternatives anyway so do yourself a favor and replace them with self-hosted or other 3rd party alternatives. There are sites for testing what is blocked in China - you should test all 3rd party…

we moved everything we could to a mainland provider, generally there are good alternatives and cdn's for common stuff. what keeps biting is our tracking and re-conversion scripts that our marketing team insists on.

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by stevespang »

Can't wait for Elon Musk to put up his satellite constellation with broadband all over the world and see how the Chinese deal with that.

Spread spectrum military style internet beamed down in cooperation with radio free Europe (radio free China) so censors have trouble blocking . . .

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by lawrencegs »

massivecali wrote: post #6
ashton314 wrote: post #2

I traveled to China for about a month and a half a few years ago. Everything was excruciatingly slow. Except for Hacker News. Probably more about the payload size than anything else. :) How many companies work hard to make their services readily available in China? Any notable exceptions?

Offtopic, but HN has always been a reliable check for me as to whether or not I have data service or it's just extremely slow as it always loads.

I thought I am the only one

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by [deleted] »

Elect2 wrote: post #15
victornomad wrote: post #4

My best best advices are not listed there - Stop using Google CDNs - Stop using Google fonts - Don't put Google Analytics in the header (or don't use it) otherwise will block/delay the browser load the website. Most of the websites just timeout because of those 3 things and make the website imposible to navigate. If you host your website in a normal VPS, without using Google services you will have a quite nice chance…

Google Analytics is OK. It doesn't affect performance very much.

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Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by lawrencegs »

tonyaiken wrote: post #12
victornomad wrote: post #4

My best best advices are not listed there - Stop using Google CDNs - Stop using Google fonts - Don't put Google Analytics in the header (or don't use it) otherwise will block/delay the browser load the website. Most of the websites just timeout because of those 3 things and make the website imposible to navigate. If you host your website in a normal VPS, without using Google services you will have a quite nice chance…

You can still use them, but a different URL. Google has a CDN in China for those fonts and stuff. Also Google Analytics are not blocked at all in China.

How about Recaptcha?

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by leesalminen »

realusername wrote: post #23
snaky wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's no internet in China anyway More than 40% of the world's e-commerce transactions currently take place in China. The United States’ share of the market is 24%, down from 35% in 2005.

Yes, on their local Intranet.

Underrated comment.
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