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So you want your app/website to work in China

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Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by chillacy »

realusername wrote: post #21
straxorx wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is why you don't understand how important is china market is. China is getting better and bigger.

That's irrelevant with my comment, China does not have a real legal system, the CCP has full power. Whatever you are building will be blocked if moderately popular to let a local competitor take that space. All these certifications mentioned on this website have approximately the same value as the paper it's written on.

My understanding is that this kind of thing happens within China too, business is run on relationships and guanxi, not contracts. You have 0% chance as a westerner. As a Chinese citizen your chances are only good insofar as you can network and maintain relationships with people.

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by intellix »

lawrencegs wrote: post #29
tonyaiken wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can still use them, but a different URL. Google has a CDN in China for those fonts and stuff. Also Google Analytics are not blocked at all in China.

How about Recaptcha?

I'm thinking that generally it works but the other night during the nightly internet apocalypse I had to disable it all to use my own site.

Will have to double check...

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by apostacy »

spectramax wrote: post #47

I don't want to live in a world where the next superpower blocks websites as they suit them, suppress freedom of speech and journalism, exploit prisoners, religious segregation camps, employing social dystopian systems and is led by unimpeachable, unchallenged leader who has elected himself with a 1000-0 vote as perpetual president of the country. It is sad to see that the rest of the world has to bend down to serve…

> suppress freedom of speech, and journalism, ...

We've lost the right to complain about Chinese censorship. We actually owe the Chinese an apology for criticizing them. They've clearly been vindicated for the 21st century.

When New Zealand and Australia blocked some of the most popular websites on the Internet at the backbone, I think that was the last straw for the west making any claims to having the moral high ground.

Google, Facebook, and the other de-facto governing bodies of our Internet flaunt their suppression of voices that they don't like. At least the Chinese government seems mostly to be about keeping public order. Companies like Google and Apple will ban your app in revenge for you not bowing to them, while simultaneously distributing Saudi Government wife-tracking apps[1]. And Google loves the Chinese government and wants very much to be in their good graces, and is selling out innocent people to do it. So really how are they any different?

The Chinese are just about power, but they don't insult you with lies. They don't lie to you that it is in the name of security, or worse, in the name of morality.

To be honest, I'd feel more comfortable using Chinese Internet, because at least their censorship is predictable, relatively fair, and only concerned with preventing the spread of fake news. You can be politically incorrect and rude if you want, and not worry about police showing up at your door, like in The UK and Germany. Unless you are legitimately making terroristic threats, it is very unlikely you will ever get the Chinese government visiting you at home.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19291458

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by benguild »

tonyaiken wrote: post #12
victornomad wrote: post #4

My best best advices are not listed there - Stop using Google CDNs - Stop using Google fonts - Don't put Google Analytics in the header (or don't use it) otherwise will block/delay the browser load the website. Most of the websites just timeout because of those 3 things and make the website imposible to navigate. If you host your website in a normal VPS, without using Google services you will have a quite nice chance…

You can still use them, but a different URL. Google has a CDN in China for those fonts and stuff. Also Google Analytics are not blocked at all in China.

Is the CDN different for fonts?

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by Razengan »

spectramax wrote: post #47

I don't want to live in a world where the next superpower blocks websites as they suit them, suppress freedom of speech and journalism, exploit prisoners, religious segregation camps, employing social dystopian systems and is led by unimpeachable, unchallenged leader who has elected himself with a 1000-0 vote as perpetual president of the country. It is sad to see that the rest of the world has to bend down to serve…

Perhaps, developers who have taken a moral stance should put a notice on their websites/services against authoritarian governments, when accessed from those countries.

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by koboll »

apostacy wrote: post #55
spectramax wrote: post #47

I don't want to live in a world where the next superpower blocks websites as they suit them, suppress freedom of speech and journalism, exploit prisoners, religious segregation camps, employing social dystopian systems and is led by unimpeachable, unchallenged leader who has elected himself with a 1000-0 vote as perpetual president of the country. It is sad to see that the rest of the world has to bend down to serve…

> suppress freedom of speech, and journalism, ... We've lost the right to complain about Chinese censorship. We actually owe the Chinese an apology for criticizing them. They've clearly been vindicated for the 21st century. When New Zealand and Australia blocked some of the most popular websites on the Internet at the backbone, I think that was the last straw for the west making any claims to having the moral high gr…

Meanwhile, in the real world where we can't all be nihilists, basic human freedoms still matter and China is a grave threat to them.

Re: So you want your app/website to work in China

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Post by whatshisface »

apostacy wrote: post #55
spectramax wrote: post #47

I don't want to live in a world where the next superpower blocks websites as they suit them, suppress freedom of speech and journalism, exploit prisoners, religious segregation camps, employing social dystopian systems and is led by unimpeachable, unchallenged leader who has elected himself with a 1000-0 vote as perpetual president of the country. It is sad to see that the rest of the world has to bend down to serve…

> suppress freedom of speech, and journalism, ... We've lost the right to complain about Chinese censorship. We actually owe the Chinese an apology for criticizing them. They've clearly been vindicated for the 21st century. When New Zealand and Australia blocked some of the most popular websites on the Internet at the backbone, I think that was the last straw for the west making any claims to having the moral high gr…

>To be honest, I'd feel more comfortable using Chinese Internet, because at least their censorship is predictable, relatively fair, and only concerned with preventing the spread of fake news.

If the Chinese internet isn't that bad, then Google isn't bad for collaboration, and then the indictment of the West doesn't work. Likewise if Google is bad for wanting to turn in people to the Chinese government, then China is bad for having people turned in to them.

Even then, there's a certain irony to saying, "they're stamping my boot into my face, but it's not so bad because they're not pretending they aren't." In the US the government had to pretend that the NSA wasn't really breaking the law, because the people still have some power and the law some meaning.

Now, if you want to say, "they're both evil," fine. Evil is a binary thing, so it naturally sidesteps the argument about who is stepping on your toes and who is sawing them off. Still, Chariman Xao sure is holding a sharp saw over there...

If you forget that there are degrees of the problem you will not be able to find your way towards improvement. It's like gradient descent in optimization.

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