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Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Re: Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Post by zaroth »

Tomte wrote: post #106
zaroth wrote: post #74

I get that it’s fun to beat up on Tesla. We love nothing more than the little guy winning and the winning guy brought low. Tis the great cycle of life. However, Tesla is the largest battery manufacturer in the world, and manufactures their batteries at significantly lower cost, higher performance, tighter tolerances, and with greater automation than anyone else in the world. It’s underestimating the difficulty of the…

> without a fair share of fuckups along the way My problem with Tesla is the same I have with Uber and AirBNB: it's not that they royally fuck up now and then, it's not even that they fuck up regularly. It's that their fuckups all betray their moral turpitude. They do not "fuck up" as in "security breach" or "bad bugs". They "fuck up" as in "lie, steal, cheat" and yes, arguably even "kill". I don't care which great a…

Not to feed the troll, but I would put Boeing a hell of a lot higher on that list than Tesla.

I drive with AutoPilot every day. One thing is damn sure, you watch it vigilantly, and you can always, always take control by just turning wheel or tapping the brakes.

Tesla tells me every single time I engage AutoPilot to keep my hands on the wheel and be ready to take control.

A special place in hell for automation that you don’t even know exists, that was concealed from you for a profit motive, flying your plane into the ground.

Re: Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Post by outworlder »

gamblor956 wrote: post #79
zaroth wrote: post #74

I get that it’s fun to beat up on Tesla. We love nothing more than the little guy winning and the winning guy brought low. Tis the great cycle of life. However, Tesla is the largest battery manufacturer in the world, and manufactures their batteries at significantly lower cost, higher performance, tighter tolerances, and with greater automation than anyone else in the world. It’s underestimating the difficulty of the…

Tesla is the largest battery manufacturer in the world, and manufactures their batteries at significantly lower cost, higher performance, tighter tolerances, and with greater automation than anyone else in the world. Panasonic manufactures the battery cells for Tesla and most of the market. Tesla assembles the cells into batteries. It would be accurate to say that Tesla is the largest manufacturer of car batteries, b…

> It would be accurate to say that Tesla is the largest manufacturer of car batteries,

Uh, duh? Last I checked, Tesla mostly sells cars. If they were the largest manufacturer of, say, cellphone batteries, THAT would have been surprising.

Re: Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Post by hartator »

outworlder wrote: post #112
gamblor956 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is the largest battery manufacturer in the world, and manufactures their batteries at significantly lower cost, higher performance, tighter tolerances, and with greater automation than anyone else in the world. Panasonic manufactures the battery cells for Tesla and most of the market. Tesla assembles the cells into batteries. It would be accurate to say that Tesla is the largest manufacturer of car batteries, b…

> It would be accurate to say that Tesla is the largest manufacturer of car batteries, Uh, duh? Last I checked, Tesla mostly sells cars. If they were the largest manufacturer of, say, cellphone batteries, THAT would have been surprising.

In term of overall capacity they mean.

Re: Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Post by madenine »

gamblor956 wrote: post #79
zaroth wrote: post #74

I get that it’s fun to beat up on Tesla. We love nothing more than the little guy winning and the winning guy brought low. Tis the great cycle of life. However, Tesla is the largest battery manufacturer in the world, and manufactures their batteries at significantly lower cost, higher performance, tighter tolerances, and with greater automation than anyone else in the world. It’s underestimating the difficulty of the…

Tesla is the largest battery manufacturer in the world, and manufactures their batteries at significantly lower cost, higher performance, tighter tolerances, and with greater automation than anyone else in the world. Panasonic manufactures the battery cells for Tesla and most of the market. Tesla assembles the cells into batteries. It would be accurate to say that Tesla is the largest manufacturer of car batteries, b…

>It would be accurate to say that Tesla is the largest manufacturer of car batteries

Pretty sure that title goes to Johnson Controls, who produces about 1/3rd of all car batteries globally.

Re: Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Post by madenine »

outworlder wrote: post #112
gamblor956 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is the largest battery manufacturer in the world, and manufactures their batteries at significantly lower cost, higher performance, tighter tolerances, and with greater automation than anyone else in the world. Panasonic manufactures the battery cells for Tesla and most of the market. Tesla assembles the cells into batteries. It would be accurate to say that Tesla is the largest manufacturer of car batteries, b…

> It would be accurate to say that Tesla is the largest manufacturer of car batteries, Uh, duh? Last I checked, Tesla mostly sells cars. If they were the largest manufacturer of, say, cellphone batteries, THAT would have been surprising.

They're not even the largest manufacturer of car batteries.

Re: Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

shereadsthenews wrote: post #90
zaroth wrote: post #74

I get that it’s fun to beat up on Tesla. We love nothing more than the little guy winning and the winning guy brought low. Tis the great cycle of life. However, Tesla is the largest battery manufacturer in the world, and manufactures their batteries at significantly lower cost, higher performance, tighter tolerances, and with greater automation than anyone else in the world. It’s underestimating the difficulty of the…

Tesla is not anywhere near the largest battery maker and their product is made to the exact same specifications as off-the-shelf Panasonic batteries, by Panasonic, in a Panasonic factory with a big Tesla sign on it. But what I'd love to know is how you came to believe any of that stuff you wrote.

How is it a "Panasonic factory" when Panasonic only own a 25% stake in it?

Re: Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Post by 0xdeadb00f »

zaroth wrote: post #74

I get that it’s fun to beat up on Tesla. We love nothing more than the little guy winning and the winning guy brought low. Tis the great cycle of life. However, Tesla is the largest battery manufacturer in the world, and manufactures their batteries at significantly lower cost, higher performance, tighter tolerances, and with greater automation than anyone else in the world. It’s underestimating the difficulty of the…

An article about Tesla on HN always has the top comment defending them. Always.

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Post by maxsilver »

zaroth wrote: post #74

I get that it’s fun to beat up on Tesla. We love nothing more than the little guy winning and the winning guy brought low. Tis the great cycle of life. However, Tesla is the largest battery manufacturer in the world, and manufactures their batteries at significantly lower cost, higher performance, tighter tolerances, and with greater automation than anyone else in the world. It’s underestimating the difficulty of the…

> Tesla is the largest battery manufacturer in the world, and manufactures their batteries at significantly lower cost, higher performance, tighter tolerances, and with greater automation than anyone else in the world.

Are we expected to just ignore LG Chem? Tesla's batteries are good, and I'm glad they're investing in them, but Tesla isn't ahead of their competitors there in any significant way.

Re: Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Post by [deleted] »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #116
shereadsthenews wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla is not anywhere near the largest battery maker and their product is made to the exact same specifications as off-the-shelf Panasonic batteries, by Panasonic, in a Panasonic factory with a big Tesla sign on it. But what I'd love to know is how you came to believe any of that stuff you wrote.

How is it a "Panasonic factory" when Panasonic only own a 25% stake in it?

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Re: Tesla sues former employees for allegedly stealing data, Autopilot source code

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Post by threeseed »

zaroth wrote: post #77
AsyncAwait wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I get that it’s fun to beat up on Tesla. There are many reasons to legitimately shit on Tesla including their worker treatment, statements made by their CEO etc.

The point isn’t that you can prove Tesla isn’t perfect. That goes without saying. The assertion was they are so far from perfect that in fact their IP isn’t even defensible in a court of law. So please don’t reply with more quips about how Tesla isn’t perfect. Why does their CEO mouthing off on Twitter, or attacking disgruntled employees, or dubious onsite health care, or pie-in-the-sky volume estimates, or market ma…

What are you talking about ?

Nobody said that Tesla's IP was not valuable or that stealing it is okay.

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