4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video • Hacker News Board

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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Post by bacon_waffle » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 12:25 PM UTC

RobertRoberts wrote: post #144

Taniwha wrote: post #143

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No, that's exactly why it's being blocked, just because there's worse stuff out there doesn't suddenly make this evil stuff acceptable

It's being blocked for political reasons. Just like when the US went to war against Iraq, one argument was "Saddam is a dictator that kills his own people". But there are worse dictators before and after Saddam. You are using the same manipulative cherry-picked argument to justify censorship. Censorship is a weapon used by dictators, not free leaders.

New Zealand has decided, democratically, that we want to have a censor who does this sort of work. What would you consider to be a reasonable criteria for the censor to block a video?

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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Post by tombert » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 2:11 PM UTC

elagost wrote: post #161

tombert wrote: post #39

It makes me sad how 4chan has largely been reduced to a place where racists and bigots and sexists hang out. When I was a teenager, it felt like the racists in /b/ were doing it ironically (maybe I was wrong?), but now it seems like a place to spout off white-nationalist nonsense, and whenever its called out the people fall back on "it's just a joke bro!"

On the Internet, even if you're "ironically" being something, it doesn't matter - in text, where it's difficult to interpret intent, if you're being something ironically, you're still being that thing. And for those that find it hard to interpret the irony, all they see is you being that thing.

Yeah, I agree that Poe's law is a thing. I'm not going to argue that 14-year-old me had terribly good judgement, and while I didn't really post any racist nonsense on 4chan, I did laugh at it, and I look back at that and cringe.

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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Post by tombert » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 3:57 PM UTC

dragonsngoblins wrote: post #159

tombert wrote: post #39

It makes me sad how 4chan has largely been reduced to a place where racists and bigots and sexists hang out. When I was a teenager, it felt like the racists in /b/ were doing it ironically (maybe I was wrong?), but now it seems like a place to spout off white-nationalist nonsense, and whenever its called out the people fall back on "it's just a joke bro!"

Large parts of 4chan are still pretty separate from that. Each board may as well be its own site after all

When I say 4chan, I mean /b/, which I think is pretty typical.

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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Post by DigiMortal » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 5:04 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #166

DigiMortal wrote: post #33

Censorship is disgusting They'll take away freedom in an instant won't they? Censor it! Take the guns!

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News?

Just because it's not five paragraphs doesn't mean it doesn't have substance

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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Post by RobertRoberts » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 5:37 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #167

RobertRoberts wrote: post #163

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For those down voting my comment above, I think you have no idea what happened in that mosque. It was really sad, only one person tried to help anyone. Everyone else just laid down. Literally (I mean _literally_) just laid down and waited to be shot. Imagine if you are trapped in a room with your family, women and children and a gunman is coming. Would you tell your family to just lay down and wait to die? And you wo…

You're probably being downvoted because of the judgmental position you're taking. None of us knows how we would react in such a situation, and to talk down about it on a message board is in poor taste at best (even though you probably didn't mean it that way). Also, I think you may be looking at this through the wrong frame. It's well known in the physiology of trauma that the body shuts down in overwhelming situatio…

I think the problem is that most people in 1st world countries have never feared for their lives or for others. The past 100 years has made the world really safe for modern society, where we no longer rely on our own ability to keep us safe or our families, but rely solely on police.

I think you would have commented how I did if you have had your life threatened before, and now see how docile/weak our modern society has made us. It's a really dangerous place to be in.

I foresee us being pushed around by anyone with any sort of authority at all in the future, and the idea of protesting will come to end and some form/version of government will be the last one of it's kind and we will all just accept it, like it seems we are being trained for.

Edit: I had just recently watched this retched video before commenting here, as I see way to often people making a clear stance with limited or no information to base it on. It was disturbing and I feel my comments are justified. If anyone else knows the entirety of the contents of the video and are not disturbed emotionally, something is wrong with them.

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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Post by dang » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 6:15 PM UTC

DigiMortal wrote: post #174

dang wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News?

Just because it's not five paragraphs doesn't mean it doesn't have substance

That's certainly true! But your GP comment wasn't substantive, and you've posted a bunch of other ones that have this same problem. We eventually ban accounts that keep doing that, so this would be good to fix. Fortunately you've also posted a bunch of fine comments, so it shouldn't be a problem.

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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Post by DigiMortal » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 6:38 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #176

DigiMortal wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because it's not five paragraphs doesn't mean it doesn't have substance

That's certainly true! But your GP comment wasn't substantive, and you've posted a bunch of other ones that have this same problem. We eventually ban accounts that keep doing that, so this would be good to fix. Fortunately you've also posted a bunch of fine comments, so it shouldn't be a problem.

Well I'll give your point that some of my comments may be short and lack substance. I'll add into more going forward

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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Post by Taniwha » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 9:01 PM UTC

RobertRoberts wrote: post #162

Taniwha wrote: post #147

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It's being blocked by private companies, because they think it's the right thing to do in context, and I suspect largely for business reasons, they don't want to be convicted for passing around the snuff video. Censorship is part of our law, it's right and proper for the NZ censor to declare the snuff video as obscene, that's his job according to law. We're a democracy, if we decide we don't need a censor we'll legis…

Here's the _government_ of NZ arresting people for _not_ censoring the video, with a worse punishment than murder and rape: (fyi, all censoring has to be done via private companies, unless NZ has all government run internet and tv?) https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/03/new-zealand-men-... I absolutely loath the video, it's revolting. But as I mentioned ealier, worse stuff has been online and still is. I think…

Yes the video is illegal, those people were arrested because they broke the law.

I'm sorry for you that you watched it all the way through, that sounds like a sick compulsion, please get help

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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Post by RobertRoberts » Thu, Mar 21, 2019, 9:44 PM UTC

Taniwha wrote: post #178

RobertRoberts wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the _government_ of NZ arresting people for _not_ censoring the video, with a worse punishment than murder and rape: (fyi, all censoring has to be done via private companies, unless NZ has all government run internet and tv?) https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/03/new-zealand-men-... I absolutely loath the video, it's revolting. But as I mentioned ealier, worse stuff has been online and still is. I think…

Yes the video is illegal, those people were arrested because they broke the law. I'm sorry for you that you watched it all the way through, that sounds like a sick compulsion, please get help

What were people so afraid of that if you saw this video you deserved to go to jail in some countries? Is it that bad?

The ISIS videos of people being executed were magnitudes more gruesome than this, and they were on CNN/FOX news.

Do you think everyone who watches the evening news has a sick compulsion as well?

Re: 4chan, 8chan blocked by Australian and NZ ISPs for hosting shooting video

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Post by LinuxBender » Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 2:25 PM UTC

everdrive wrote: post #152

LinuxBender wrote: post #141

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Do you mean not enforcing it? You can use the addon "HTTPS Everywhere" to avoid going to port 80 by mistake.

Well, to be frank, what I really meant was "do you think the lack of HTTPS was intentional so nefarious actors could be passively identified." But, I didn't want to pose an allegation like that with so few facts.

The boards have a code that is created per message that when used in conjunction with the thread id, can give the IP. HTTPS only prevents your ISP from seeing what you are seeing, but there are very few truly "anon" sites. To be semi-anon, one would have to sit near an open WiFi and use a unique MAC address and a browser that has never logged into Google. Most people won't make this effort.