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Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by gumby »

AWildC182 wrote: post #9
scott_s wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of the ones which are done during the school day, involving students, sound horrific: Active-Shooter Drills Are Tragically Misguided, https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/03/active-...

This feels like a weird thing to say but exposing students (or anyone) to this seems like a really bad idea. By letting them experience that kind of terror, I feel it may give anyone with sociopathic tendencies 'ideas' and may influence them to seek that kind of control over others. We're all just the sum of our experiences and giving young impressionable kids terrifying experiences in the pursuit of protecting them…

I believe terrorizing the population into compliance is the point. I don't think you have to be a conspiracy theorist to believe that.

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by ryanmarsh »

Controversial opinion from someone with extensive experience with assault weapon violence.

GOOD

The current "shelter in place" model of active shooter drills KILLS CHILDREN. In combat we had another name for "shelter in place"... "die in place".

People must be taught to fight back or flee. They must because it is not instinctive. Most of us were raised in relatively peaceful societies and have a school yard/Hollywood understanding of violence.

For those who haven't seen the Christchurch video, the killer was ALMOST taken out by one lone person who rushed him while his back was turned. Sadly, this brave soul was alone in his efforts and perished. He came literally within inches of getting the drop on the shooter. Had there been a second brave soul with him the shooting could have ended with far less death.

Two unarmed adults in close quarters can absolutely disarm one person. In a fight, two are four times as effective as one.

If someone is attacking you there are two options, run or fight. Hiding in a room with no exits is to wait for death, as evidenced by every eyewitness account we've ever heard on the news, "I heard the shooting in the other room, I knew we were next".

From a tactical point of view a school/church shooting is a de facto "raid". There are principles of conducting and defending against a raid. The active shooter drills I've seen are in total ignorance of these principles.

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by stephenhuey »

scottlamb wrote: post #8

"During active shooter drill, four teachers at a time were taken into a room, told to crouch down and were shot execution style with some sort of projectiles - resulting in injuries to the extent that welts appeared, and blood was drawn. ... The Indiana State Teachers Association is lobbying lawmakers to add language prohibiting teachers from being shot with any sort of ammunition to a school safety bill working its…

This sounds like an initiative dreamed up by Dwight on The Office.

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by smacktoward »

chris_mc wrote: post #3

>This is what happens if you just cower and do nothing You sure? Because even when I was in the military, they trained us to respond to security events by locking our area down rather than running into the fight unless we were designated responders. Sounds to me like the cops just wanted to fire their fancy training pellet guns at someone.

It's almost like there are a lot of local LEOs who just get off on wielding power over helpless people.

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by mplewis »

chris_mc wrote: post #3

>This is what happens if you just cower and do nothing You sure? Because even when I was in the military, they trained us to respond to security events by locking our area down rather than running into the fight unless we were designated responders. Sounds to me like the cops just wanted to fire their fancy training pellet guns at someone.

You don't have to run into the fight, but your odds of survival in a shooting are often better if you run away and try to escape.

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Post by ameister14 »

ryanmarsh wrote: post #12

Controversial opinion from someone with extensive experience with assault weapon violence. GOOD The current "shelter in place" model of active shooter drills KILLS CHILDREN. In combat we had another name for "shelter in place"... "die in place". People must be taught to fight back or flee. They must because it is not instinctive. Most of us were raised in relatively peaceful societies and have a school yard/Hollywood…

Whether you disagree with the practice of sheltering in place or not, it still doesn't seem like a good idea to mock execute teachers. You don't need to get shot to get training.

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Post by wl »

koolba wrote: post #5
gojomo wrote: post #2

The panicked, reckless nonsense of "active shooter drills" is eventually going to get someone actually killed. (Compare: the DEA agent who shot himself while talking to a classroom about gun safety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNa5n2I_DUw https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/safety-first/ )

Why the hell is the gun loaded?!

He probably carries a pistol with him everywhere and standard practice is to keep it loaded with a round chambered. If demonstrating safe handling were necessary, he probably should have brought another pistol and kept his carry weapon holstered.

In any case, he should have cleared the weapon before his demonstration and kept it pointed in a safe direction.

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Post by 24gttghh »

Why not have school-wide martial arts training or something instead? Empower the populace, and discourage people from attempting it in the first place. "An ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound of cure" as they say...

These shelter in place drills are addressing a symptom, and not the cause of violence.

Re: Teachers unknowingly shot with plastic pellets during active shooter drills

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Post by ryanmarsh »

ameister14 wrote: post #16
ryanmarsh wrote: post #12

Controversial opinion from someone with extensive experience with assault weapon violence. GOOD The current "shelter in place" model of active shooter drills KILLS CHILDREN. In combat we had another name for "shelter in place"... "die in place". People must be taught to fight back or flee. They must because it is not instinctive. Most of us were raised in relatively peaceful societies and have a school yard/Hollywood…

Whether you disagree with the practice of sheltering in place or not, it still doesn't seem like a good idea to mock execute teachers. You don't need to get shot to get training.

Unfortunately such training is for the limbic system, so pain and fear are required. The limbic system doesn't speak English and cannot reason.
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