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There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

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Re: There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

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So, how feasible is this as a remote worker?

What I am really asking is, how reliable is wifi/internet and is it available through the entire journey?

I would not mind a workcation this way, but probably could not afford a satphone’s data plan.

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My wife and I did this several years back, New York to Chicago to San Francisco, and it really was a wonderful experience. But get a sleeper compartment, don't sit with the cattle. It's worth it, really. And that's even though we spent little time in our compartment almost the whole trip we were up in the observation car watching the American landscape roll by. One highlight of the trip was when storms over Helper, U…

I’ve done Shanghai to Urumqi before in a hard sleeper. I don’t think I really saw much outside (no observation car, monotonous farming fields), but the people on the train were really interesting (eg Pakistani traders using the train to get back home).

I did the Shanghai/Beijing bullet with some friends who had never been to China, it was great perspective for them and me to see all the massive cities in between that are not known outside of China but the size of New York City

Re: There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Cattle class" is a kinda faux-pejorative term for economy/coach/whatever the cheapest cabin is in some mode of transport.

Faux-pejorative indeed. Cattle are required to be given more space when being transported, than humans are, in Europe. Human class is below cattle class.

I don't think that's true. Have you seen how they move cattle in trucks? Maybe more space than a human because they take up more space, but they stacked right next to each other.

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#165

If Amtrak would add reliable paid WiFi and upgrade their cars, train would be exceedingly worth it. The next step would be to repair the tracks, which are shared by freight and passenger, which makes the ride worse.

Adding WiFi wouldn’t help. It would probably be a cellular based WiFi service massively shared and no better coverage than you would get with your own data plan.

They have WiFi on some trains, and that's exactly what it is.

Re: There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

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post #11

I really enjoyed driving across the country three times. Anyone do both, and can compare?

IME, the train is like an abbreviated version of a car trip. It's great for when you don't have the weeks to spare doing a driving trip right, but still want some sightseeing and the feeling of traveling.

I've done short-on-time utilitarian driving trips too (all interstates, etc), and I'd definitely choose the train over that.

It also doesn't constrain your other leg, which can be flown if it fits your needs better. If you're only going one way, I'd recommend going east to west on the train. The train novelty will get you out of the dense Northeast, and then you can settle in after Chicago.

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#167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trains can also be pretty quaint in Europe today now that low cost airlines like Easyjet and Ryanair offer cheap flights to most major cities. I live in Berlin and even domestic trains are far more expensive than domestic flights to medium and large cities.

Ignorant American question. Why is this the case? What are the costs that railroads are having to pay that makes them more expensive?

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Re: There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

#168
This article's title strikes me as condescending and annoying. There are 'reasons' to travel by train for a lot of people. My cousin has a deep fear of flying and hasn't done so in several decades. So he travels by train. As this writer learns, it can also be an enjoyable way to see the country.

That said, I did once survive a 24 hour delay on Amtrak between Chicago and Oakland. It was the middle of winter and track was splitting, so the train would move a few miles and then wait a few hours for the crew to replace the broken rail.

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post #19

This article shows how culturally different Sweden and U.S. are. In Sweden it has become taboo to use the plane for any travel destination where you can go by train, to the level where we see the complete opposite headlines here ("There is no reason to fly when you can take the train"). You need to have a very good reason to fly at all or the pitchforks will get you. I've personally completely stopped flying.

Undoubtedly there are cultural differences. However, you are attributing to cultural difference things that are more directly linked to geographical differences that have contributed to limited rail infrastructure and route availability. First & foremost, US rail is minimal in terms of routes offered and significantly more expensive. Compared to planes, it's at least double the cost, and 4x to 5x the cost if you want…

This is a terrible comparison. A better one is continental Europe as a whole, which has many rail lines spanning it. This is probably what the Swedish person was referring to, not simply staying in Sweden (the major cities in Sweden probably aren't far enough apart to fly between). Continental Europe is very roughly the size of the US, yet trains are used there extensively.

The problem with the US isn't size, it's political will. America simply does not want to have high-quality, high-speed train service.

Re: There is no reason to cross the U.S. by train, but I did it anyway

#170

My wife and I did this several years back, New York to Chicago to San Francisco, and it really was a wonderful experience. But get a sleeper compartment, don't sit with the cattle. It's worth it, really. And that's even though we spent little time in our compartment almost the whole trip we were up in the observation car watching the American landscape roll by. One highlight of the trip was when storms over Helper, U…

I’ve done Shanghai to Urumqi before in a hard sleeper. I don’t think I really saw much outside (no observation car, monotonous farming fields), but the people on the train were really interesting (eg Pakistani traders using the train to get back home).

I went Shanghai to the Yellow Mountains on a very old, slow sleeper train. It was basically a dormitory, with bunks three high. And you don't want to know about the bathrooms - it's really just a hole in the floor, falling onto the tracks.

But even so, it was a wonderful experience. The Chinese landscape is nothing short of awesome. And the culture that unfolded was completely unknown to me, so constantly interesting.

One thing that really made me take notice was the wide range of people. On the way to the Shanghai train station, we had walked by a Lamborghini dealership (I don't recall ever having seen even one of these in the USA) - there's a not-insignificant population of filthy rich people in and around Shanghai. But on the train we saw people peasants using an ox to plow a rice paddy of only a fraction of an acre. The degree of inequality was hugely wider than America or any other nation I've seen.

EDIT: the Shanghai airport maglev train was an interesting experience just to say I've gone 300+mph on a train, but otherwise totally boring.

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