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Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

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Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You feel this isn't one of the cases when it's necessary?

The parent's implication being that this is one of the cases where people could reasonably believe it isn't necessary.

Yeah and I am asking explicitly because it seems unbelievable and I'd like to hear why.

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

#102
post #90

As an EU citizen, I hope large portions of the internet will just block us. A couple of days without YouTube, Wikipedia and other services would create sufficient outrage to put pressure on the EU for introducing these idiotic laws. I mean, GDPR is bad enough for start ups, but Article 13?

As a user, GDPR is great for me. As a user, article 13 is bad for me.

> As a user, article 13 is bad for me.

Why?

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

#103
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why they disagree with censorship? Its a great firewall with the enforcement being pushed to every last person running a website. Its a totalitarian grasp for the control of the internet as a whole. The protection fee for publishing houses is just an added bonus for a few corrupt institutions on their deathbed.

Is enforcing copyright censorship? I am not being antagonistic as I have actually no idea what is in this new law.

Let me give you a clear example. Look at this:

Exit light Enter night Take my hand We're off to Never—, Neverland Now I lay me down to sleep Pray the Lord my soul to keep If I die before I wake Pray the Lord my soul to take

These are the lyrics of Metallica "Enter Sandman".

YCombinator can now get sued because they didn't filter out my post. They unlawfully published copyrighted material.

Without this law, I would be liable. With this law, YCombinator is liable too.

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

#104
Here are part of the lyrics of "Enter Sandman" of Metallica:

Exit light Enter night Take my hand We're off to Never—, Neverland Now I lay me down to sleep Pray the Lord my soul to keep If I die before I wake Pray the Lord my soul to take

YCombinator is now in violation of article 13. Some filter should have prevented me from posting this.

That is what article 13 is about.

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

#105
For anyone in Denmark, here are contact details for the MEPs:

- Margrete Auken - +4561625450 - margrete.auken@europarl.europa.eu - https://twitter.com/MargreteAuken

- Bendt Bendtsen - bb@bendt.dk - https://twitter.com/BendtEU

- Ole Christensen - +4522200830 - ole.christensen@europarl.europa.eu - https://twitter.com/oleeu

- Jørn Dohrmann - +4561623349 - jorn.dohrmann@europarl.europa.eu - https://twitter.com/mepdohrmann

- Rina Ronja Kari - +4526701816 - rina@folkebevaegelsen.dk - https://twitter.com/rinakari

- Rikke-Louise Karlsson - rikke-louise.karlsson@europarl.europa.eu

- Jeppe Kofod - +3222837463 - Jeppe.Kofod@ep.europa.eu - https://twitter.com/jeppekofod

- Morten Løkkegaard - +4521608001 - morten.lokkegaard@europarl.europa.eu - https://twitter.com/loekkegaard_mep

- Morten Messerschmidt - +4561624232 - Morten.Messerschmidt@ft.dk - https://twitter.com/MrMesserschmidt

- Morten Helveg Petersen - mortenhelveg.petersen@europarl.europa.eu - https://twitter.com/mortenhelveg

- Jens Rohde - jens.rohde@europarl.europa.eu - https://twitter.com/rohde_jens

- Christel Schaldemose - +4540768626 - christel.schaldemose@ep.europa.eu - https://twitter.com/schaldemosemep

- Anders Primdahl Vistisen - +4553860080 - anders.vistisen@europarl.europa.eu - https://twitter.com/AndersVistisen

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

#106
post #6

The big websites participating in the blackout like Wikipedia or some porn sites do have vast access to eyeballs across europe, and would be affected directly and adversely by the new rules. As the lobbying fight has already been mostly won by the local publisher industry, they use their access to those eyeballs to fuel democratic protests of the rule. I hope they win and that Article 11 and 13 will be removed. I thi…

I don't think it's democratic at all. In case of my small country, almost literally no one wants this law - but that doesn't matter, we're a small country. The whole thing feels terribly wrong - 10 million people, the 100% majority of this rather big geographical location that is even separated by mountains on all sides, are just overruled, while they don't even understand the language these politicians are talking i…

Obviously a political and economic union will impose laws on its member states. Your country, holding 2% of the votes, being able to overrule the entire union wouldn't be very democratic either.

It sounds like you want to have the cake and eat it too. Get the benefits of the union but be able to refuse the laws it imposes. If the EU decides on a law, that the majority of the union agrees on but your country doesn't, then your country has the option to leave the union.

Your country might not agree with these laws, other countries might not agree with laws regarding the environment, or human rights, etc. But the union as a whole agrees on them and if you want to benefit from the union then you have to follow.

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Article 13 is terrible not because it’s terrible for start-ups, it’s terrible because it’s terrible for people. the two aren't mutually exclusive and Europe is right now in a deep growth slump also caused by middle class not moving into entrepreneurship due all the red tape and inefficiencies around having to deal with the particularities of every European state, with the EU aggregating without unifying a mess of r…

VAT and a vast majority of the laws surrounding commerce at least are simple and have been abstracted away by various platforms ages ago. I invite you to read up on the subject and revise your stance (your premise may or may not be true, I will not claim to know either way) based on something that is actually true.

VAT is absolutely not abstracted away and intra-EU VAT is anything but simple. Why speak when you have no idea what you are talking about?

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

#108
post #23

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> In the end, are you really sure you want the world to block us? Yes. Let's end the cycle of pretending that we can prevent information from being free. Copyright is a dinosaur of an idea that belongs in the annals of history and out of the present.

> Copyright is a dinosaur of an idea that belongs in the annals of history and out of the present. Then don't copyright the content you make, just release it out into the public domain. Be the change you want to see. But let's be honest, the people most vocal against Article 13 are those who want to leech other people's creations for free. Not those people actually creating the content.

In the EU you can't easily release content into the public domain, in Germany it's impossible to do that.

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Article 13 is terrible not because it’s terrible for start-ups, it’s terrible because it’s terrible for people. I’m pretty close to the rough-end of GDPR in my current job, but it represents real benefits for millions of people. If you asked them what’s a reasonable way to treat their data, I believe the GDPR is close-ish to what a lot of Europeans would want. Or, at least a shift in the right direction. Article 13 o…

> Article 13 is terrible not because it’s terrible for start-ups, it’s terrible because it’s terrible for people. the two aren't mutually exclusive and Europe is right now in a deep growth slump also caused by middle class not moving into entrepreneurship due all the red tape and inefficiencies around having to deal with the particularities of every European state, with the EU aggregating without unifying a mess of r…

why is this grey, it's absolutely on point and true.

Re: Four Wikipedias to ‘Black Out’ over EU Copyright Directive

#110

Making content providers liable about the content they publish seems to me essential to have an healthy internet: I don't understand all the problem about censorship; Am I missing something?

You are missing the "user content" part. If I anonymously upload copyrighted material to YouTube, I can sue YouTube. Same with Reddit, Facebook, Steam, Kongregate, Pinterest, Imgur, Instagram, ... . I'm building a platform where anyone can make a game and share it. If someone names his game "Zelda" or "Tetris", I can get sued. If my competitor uploads his own material to my site, they can sue me. Theses platforms sho…

If the user is anonymous, so as copyright holder, or target of harassment or whatever I can't know who is the creator of the content, it makes perfectly sense for me that you, as host of the content are liable of the content itself. I don't see anything strange about it.
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