Earlier quoted context omitted.
The counter-argument goes like this: Prudent or not, the deed is done; the child is here now and has real needs now. Get over punishing the child for being born and do the right thing.
The counter-counter argument is that not giving someone your money isn't "punishing" them, it's just retaining consent over your finances which everyone should have a right to do, without shame.
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#82It almost goes without saying, but huge respect to the kid for being able to persevere through massive adversity and achieve such a result. What I want to suggest without hopefully ruining the “feel good” party is that the adversity and the success here aren’t just a striking coincidence but are in fact two sides of the same coin. This kid is winning not (just) due to his natural talents, but because he is more motivated than the other kids. His opponents are playing to win a cool trophy and impress their parents. He is playing for a chance to have a future.
I say this because I had the same drive to win in the early days, although not for the exact same reasons. I wasn’t homeless, but my success at chess competitions was directly linked to the emotional stability of my home environment, which cycled between dysfunctional and abusive. When I won tournaments, my mother showed me love and affection for a period of time afterwards. When I lost, it was bad. As a kid, you learn pretty quickly to dig deep and do what it takes.
I know a fair amount of chess prodigies from back in the day, including some who are still active and top players on the professional circuit. To this day I have not met a single one who didn’t have to deal with major adversity during childhood - broken home, missing or abusive/alcoholic parent, etc.
I’m not saying that we shouldn’t bring kids into competitive chess, or celebrate their accomplishments. I have always loved the game, and still do, despite its relationship to my massively dysfunctional childhood. But I think we need to look deeper into the dark side of competitive scholastic chess culture, most of which comes from misguided parents who view their kids’ success as an extension of their own. We should reward things like integrity and sportsmanship in addition to raw intellectual performance.
For this refugee kid, I hope his gift brings him joy and success, even if he doesn’t go all the way to become the youngest grandmaster. And I hope his story will inspire a conversation about values in the larger competitive chess community.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's supposed to be clever, I imagine. It just comes across as churlish, though. EDIT: Even the fact that the comment was edited from some stupid pseudocode, into something that cries "wrongthink" plays thusly...
My definition of "wrongthink" is suggesting that facts support confirmation of a narrative, regardless of what the facts are, when that narrative has become socially unacceptable. For example, in Chinese society, to suggest that religious minorities are being mistreated by the government is "wrongthink" regardless of what the facts are. If this kid had been from a Uyghur family in China and his father had been killed…
The thing is, literally none of the words you used in your pseudocode are "wrongthink" here.
This was straight-up, "person says awful thing, catches flak, and cries oppression."
EDIT: That's not oppression. It's disapproval.
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#84I am curious how they funded the tournament play. It tends to cost about $10/rated game.
Anyone who is good gets noticed quickly in the chess world. There are rich people in chess who will sponsor kids. All great kids in the US will get a free chess coach to get them better (I'm not sure how great you need to be to get this). Many other countries have similar chess sponsors.
If you read the article you will see that his school chess club waived their normal fees and even found him a coach (before he would qualify on the national level)
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#85Stephen Jay Gould was an ideologically driven liar ( https://quillette.com/2019/03/19/the-mismeasurements-of-step... ). He should not be regarded as someone worth quoting.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Because why should I care for someone else's child and why should I shell out money because someone decided to have children even though they shouldn't have ? The worst part of this is it naturally encourages classism. Only wealthy people should have children, only wealthy people should have pets, etc.
> Only wealthy people should have children, only wealthy people should have pets, etc. I'd be happy if we could get an equal reproduction rate across all income demographics, i.e. more children for wealthy people. As it is we seem to be inadvertently running a selective breeding program against those most capable of thriving in our society. We should stop doing that.
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#87NYT's Nicholas Kristof (the first to tell the story) announced a GoFundMe campaign to help Tani's family: https://www.gofundme.com/just-tani
Re: 8-Year-Old Refugee Wins New York State Championship
#88Stephen Jay Gould was an ideologically driven liar ( https://quillette.com/2019/03/19/the-mismeasurements-of-step... ). He should not be regarded as someone worth quoting.
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#89In his age category.
He's 27th in the country out of his age range and he's up against a lot of kids with every advantage in life. That's damn impressive any way you cut it, just under 1587USCF meaning he's playing at about the grade of an average active adult chess player (and far beyond an average player)...at 8 after a year living in pretty grim life circumstances. Little dude is inspiring.
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#90You can find Top 100 lists at http://www.uschess.org/component/option,com_top_players/Item... and his play history at http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?16649696 . It is almost precisely a year since his first tournament game so there is no exaggeration. Going to 1473 in one year is extremely impressive especially since early tournaments show loses so it isn't like he excelled but simply wasn't rated. For refe…