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8-Year-Old Refugee Wins New York State Championship

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Re: 8-Year-Old Refugee Wins New York State Championship

#81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The counter-argument goes like this: Prudent or not, the deed is done; the child is here now and has real needs now. Get over punishing the child for being born and do the right thing.

The counter-counter argument is that not giving someone your money isn't "punishing" them, it's just retaining consent over your finances which everyone should have a right to do, without shame.

The counter-counter-counter argument is that, in a society of interdependent individuals, ownership is a limited right which may be curtailed in the face of substantial harm to that society, e.g., in the way that poverty amounts to a higher burden to the interests of ensuring the nominally inalienable right to life than the costs of ameliorating poverty would be.

Re: 8-Year-Old Refugee Wins New York State Championship

#82
As someone who had the unfortunate label of “prodigy” applied to me in my youth (chess master at age 10), I’d like to offer a perspective.

It almost goes without saying, but huge respect to the kid for being able to persevere through massive adversity and achieve such a result. What I want to suggest without hopefully ruining the “feel good” party is that the adversity and the success here aren’t just a striking coincidence but are in fact two sides of the same coin. This kid is winning not (just) due to his natural talents, but because he is more motivated than the other kids. His opponents are playing to win a cool trophy and impress their parents. He is playing for a chance to have a future.

I say this because I had the same drive to win in the early days, although not for the exact same reasons. I wasn’t homeless, but my success at chess competitions was directly linked to the emotional stability of my home environment, which cycled between dysfunctional and abusive. When I won tournaments, my mother showed me love and affection for a period of time afterwards. When I lost, it was bad. As a kid, you learn pretty quickly to dig deep and do what it takes.

I know a fair amount of chess prodigies from back in the day, including some who are still active and top players on the professional circuit. To this day I have not met a single one who didn’t have to deal with major adversity during childhood - broken home, missing or abusive/alcoholic parent, etc.

I’m not saying that we shouldn’t bring kids into competitive chess, or celebrate their accomplishments. I have always loved the game, and still do, despite its relationship to my massively dysfunctional childhood. But I think we need to look deeper into the dark side of competitive scholastic chess culture, most of which comes from misguided parents who view their kids’ success as an extension of their own. We should reward things like integrity and sportsmanship in addition to raw intellectual performance.

For this refugee kid, I hope his gift brings him joy and success, even if he doesn’t go all the way to become the youngest grandmaster. And I hope his story will inspire a conversation about values in the larger competitive chess community.

Re: 8-Year-Old Refugee Wins New York State Championship

#83
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's supposed to be clever, I imagine. It just comes across as churlish, though. EDIT: Even the fact that the comment was edited from some stupid pseudocode, into something that cries "wrongthink" plays thusly...

My definition of "wrongthink" is suggesting that facts support confirmation of a narrative, regardless of what the facts are, when that narrative has become socially unacceptable. For example, in Chinese society, to suggest that religious minorities are being mistreated by the government is "wrongthink" regardless of what the facts are. If this kid had been from a Uyghur family in China and his father had been killed…

That's fine. I even agree with that definition.

The thing is, literally none of the words you used in your pseudocode are "wrongthink" here.

This was straight-up, "person says awful thing, catches flak, and cries oppression."

EDIT: That's not oppression. It's disapproval.

Re: 8-Year-Old Refugee Wins New York State Championship

#84

I am curious how they funded the tournament play. It tends to cost about $10/rated game.

Most tournament directors are nice people and will find an exception or sponsor for someone who is really poor to afford the fees.

Anyone who is good gets noticed quickly in the chess world. There are rich people in chess who will sponsor kids. All great kids in the US will get a free chess coach to get them better (I'm not sure how great you need to be to get this). Many other countries have similar chess sponsors.

If you read the article you will see that his school chess club waived their normal fees and even found him a coach (before he would qualify on the national level)

Re: 8-Year-Old Refugee Wins New York State Championship

#85

Stephen Jay Gould was an ideologically driven liar ( https://quillette.com/2019/03/19/the-mismeasurements-of-step... ). He should not be regarded as someone worth quoting.

Doesn't make his points (at least that point) any less valid.

Re: 8-Year-Old Refugee Wins New York State Championship

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because why should I care for someone else's child and why should I shell out money because someone decided to have children even though they shouldn't have ? The worst part of this is it naturally encourages classism. Only wealthy people should have children, only wealthy people should have pets, etc.

> Only wealthy people should have children, only wealthy people should have pets, etc. I'd be happy if we could get an equal reproduction rate across all income demographics, i.e. more children for wealthy people. As it is we seem to be inadvertently running a selective breeding program against those most capable of thriving in our society. We should stop doing that.

Well, that would require investing in sex education, financial education, and contraceptive distribution for poor people. So, we're right back to square one.

Re: 8-Year-Old Refugee Wins New York State Championship

#88

Stephen Jay Gould was an ideologically driven liar ( https://quillette.com/2019/03/19/the-mismeasurements-of-step... ). He should not be regarded as someone worth quoting.

There is some beautiful irony in citing Quillette to say that Gould should never even be quoted, given Quillette's stated mission of protecting free expression and ideas, "even dangerous ones:"

> Quillette is a platform for free thought. We respect ideas, even dangerous ones. We also believe that free expression and the free exchange of ideas help human societies flourish and progress.

Re: 8-Year-Old Refugee Wins New York State Championship

#89

In his age category.

He's 27th in the country out of his age range and he's up against a lot of kids with every advantage in life. That's damn impressive any way you cut it, just under 1587USCF meaning he's playing at about the grade of an average active adult chess player (and far beyond an average player)...at 8 after a year living in pretty grim life circumstances. Little dude is inspiring.

At 9 years old most kids have not been playing long. It wouldn't surprise me if he studied more hours than everyone else in his class (homeless implies no other toys to play with) which begs the question why are the other 26 better than him with less study. Note that wouldn't surprise me doesn't mean much - I have no clue how much study he does.

Re: 8-Year-Old Refugee Wins New York State Championship

#90

You can find Top 100 lists at http://www.uschess.org/component/option,com_top_players/Item... and his play history at http://www.uschess.org/msa/MbrDtlMain.php?16649696 . It is almost precisely a year since his first tournament game so there is no exaggeration. Going to 1473 in one year is extremely impressive especially since early tournaments show loses so it isn't like he excelled but simply wasn't rated. For refe…

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