Electric buses seem to be fairly common in UK city centres. I first saw one in London about 4 years ago - it was surreal when walking past a typical red double decker at a bus stop and it just glided away with the faintest whirr. I’m all for buses and taxis turning electric to reduce the diesel fumes in cities.
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#182What's the advantage compared to a tram or trolley bus? I don't get it.
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No need to build and maintain the infrastructure (rail and overhead power lines.) The ability to navigate the road freely -- trolley buses often have trouble circumnavigating badly parked cars in their way, sometimes causing the driver to get out to reattach the "prongs" to the wires. Also, trams are somewhat prone to "tram jams" caused by one faulty streetcar blocking the railway. And they simply cannot get around a…
Other than the need to maintain rail + power lines, I think these issues are overblown. The badly parked car scenario sounds pretty horrendous in theory - one careless actor causes chaos for an entire city center! In my experience it simply doesn't happen - I think people just know how damaging it could be (and possibly how much trouble they would be in) that they pretty much have to be considerate and self-aware. Ho…
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#184Excuse me for this tangent, but when it comes to environmental concerns, why do we still skirt around the largest elephant in the room? Curbing population growth. We have laws against almost every "natural human instinct/desire": X Murder X Rape X Theft, even if you're stealing food when you're starving X Taking shelter in property that you don't own, even if you were freezing to death X In some countries: Being with…
We already have a fairly effective way to curb population growth: education. Highly educated people tend to have less children than people with little or no education. In fact, education gives plenty of ROI in many areas, so we can tackle this and other issues by investing in better education without explicitly having to ban anything.
That said, I think some mandatory "how to raise kids" training could do a lot of people a lot of good.
Re: China's e-buses dent oil demand more than electric cars do
#185Excuse me for this tangent, but when it comes to environmental concerns, why do we still skirt around the largest elephant in the room? Curbing population growth. We have laws against almost every "natural human instinct/desire": X Murder X Rape X Theft, even if you're stealing food when you're starving X Taking shelter in property that you don't own, even if you were freezing to death X In some countries: Being with…
Because population growth is expected to decline over the next century already, and because population is not really the problem anyway. We have the ability to improve the carrying capacity of the earth and we have done so repeatedly over time. Dire predictions of the negative consequences of overpopulation, ever since Malthus, have turned out wrong. The population doomsayers didn't even anticipate the real problem w…
Not all developed countries are densely populated, but many are. Netherland and South Korea rank among the most densely populated countries in the world.
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#186This points out a new opportunity. Why stop at China for electric busses (yes they are probably manufacturing them locally)? Cities are seeming increasingly more able to be proactive than countries. Encourage local cities to one by one electrify the bus network and this effect goes global. It’s obvious tangible action that citizens can demand and mayors can visibly deliver. Game for those playing at home, do a search…
I am actually going to email local polticians today. My back-of-the-envelope is that in in my city, converting the bus fleet is equal to converting 1/3 of the private vehicle fleet. They are spending a lot here on plans that don't have a tenth of that potential.
Ireland (where I live) has missed its emmissions target. We're already paying penalties and the current "plan" to get better fast is a huge (>40%) subsidy for €50k executive perk cars, on top of standard EV incentives. Using this article's bus/EV fuel savings ratio (33/1), you have about 33€20k = €660,000 per bus* in your "better than this terrible plan" budget.
From the comments, it seems that e-buses aren't at the "just buy some and done" point. But (like you imply), buses have all sorts of advantages over cars that make this a great target for meaningful short term improvement.
As you say, plans can be implemented by cities. Local politicians talking about private EVs is mostly cheap talk. They can't do much about it. Buses are a decision they make. Also, fuel cost savings are achieved rapidly as buses work full time. You're not paying now for fuel savings in 12 years. Charging infrastructure can be centralized. As specialized utlilitarian vehicles, buses can make all sorts of compromises. Some routes don't need fast buses. It seems downright rational.
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I agree. We need to not only stop using polluting vehicles, but also reduce the number of people consuming products. Honestly, the problem is going to solve itself. We're going to see devastating natural disasters and famines. We're going to see causalities like we've never seen. We're going to see massive die-offs of the poor in countries that are in the direct path- coastal countries, Africa, and middle east. I kno…
Basically if we don't control immigration, the developed world will look like the developing world, and then there will be no more developed world to help out. I think for some this is the intended endgame.
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Source?
It actually says as much in the article linked by grand parent, but I also remember reading about it a few years ago in china daily or globaltimes (probably the latter), so it has been brought up in the Chinese press as well. Anecdotally as well: I was living in Beijing during the entire time period and noticed the dust storms going away and then coming back. Fun story: Beijing kids are all required to plant trees on…
Green theater.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
We already have a LOT of laws decide who is and is not allowed/able/encouraged to have a LOT of other very basic rights: Food, shelter, healthcare, education, sex.
Other than the last one, those are entitlements requiring the government provide you with things, not rights.
There are already numerous examples of authority stepping in to “save people from themselves.”