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China's e-buses dent oil demand more than electric cars do

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Re: China's e-buses dent oil demand more than electric cars do

#31
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"Forget Tesla" is the wrong attitude. We should applaud every win we can get, big or small.

The framing of the article is that oil companies need to be more concerned about the Chinese buses than about Tesla. It's a simple rhetorical device, not a statement that Tesla does not matter.

I've sometimes been concerned that headline writing is (metaphorically) subcontracted to buzzfeed everywhere, NYT, The Atlantic, Bloomberg, just about everywhere.

Re: China's e-buses dent oil demand more than electric cars do

#32

Then just imagine if shipping tankers became electrified. The world's 6 largest shipping tankers produce more CO2 than all the world's personal vehicles combined.

Afaik shipping tankers are very efficient; among the lowest CO2 per mile travelled per ton of cargo moved.

Trains are 185km/L per ton, and ships get about double that. The only more efficient method is bicycling.

Electrification won’t do much to help because batteries are so big and heavy you’re basically shipping batteries instead of cargo back and forth. There’s been recent advancement in adding sails though, that actually make non-trivial differences. [1]

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/08/31/maersk-tankers-installs-...

Re: China's e-buses dent oil demand more than electric cars do

#33
post #6

"Forget Tesla" is the wrong attitude. We should applaud every win we can get, big or small.

It’s a clickbait title. More appropriate clickbait would be “the United States becomes the #1 producer of oil while China rushes to electric vehicles”, busses and cars:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-autos-electric/chin...

Re: China's e-buses dent oil demand more than electric cars do

#35

Excuse me for this tangent, but when it comes to environmental concerns, why do we still skirt around the largest elephant in the room? Curbing population growth. We have laws against almost every "natural human instinct/desire": X Murder X Rape X Theft, even if you're stealing food when you're starving X Taking shelter in property that you don't own, even if you were freezing to death X In some countries: Being with…

Among many other points, more than half the laws you mention are terrible. We shouldn't be banning people in need from taking food or shelter when there's an extreme excess of both, or loving who they want.

Re: China's e-buses dent oil demand more than electric cars do

#36

Excuse me for this tangent, but when it comes to environmental concerns, why do we still skirt around the largest elephant in the room? Curbing population growth. We have laws against almost every "natural human instinct/desire": X Murder X Rape X Theft, even if you're stealing food when you're starving X Taking shelter in property that you don't own, even if you were freezing to death X In some countries: Being with…

Because population growth is expected to decline over the next century already, and because population is not really the problem anyway. We have the ability to improve the carrying capacity of the earth and we have done so repeatedly over time.

Dire predictions of the negative consequences of overpopulation, ever since Malthus, have turned out wrong. The population doomsayers didn't even anticipate the real problem we face today: climate change.

Climate change is not caused by overpopulation, but rather by the industrial output of developed countries. These countries, except for China, are not densely populated and have lower rates of population growth than the rest of the world because obtaining contraception is legal and convenient.

On top of that, regulating reproduction is a violation of the most basic human freedoms.

Re: China's e-buses dent oil demand more than electric cars do

#37

Excuse me for this tangent, but when it comes to environmental concerns, why do we still skirt around the largest elephant in the room? Curbing population growth. We have laws against almost every "natural human instinct/desire": X Murder X Rape X Theft, even if you're stealing food when you're starving X Taking shelter in property that you don't own, even if you were freezing to death X In some countries: Being with…

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Re: China's e-buses dent oil demand more than electric cars do

#38
post #25

Now they need to get off coal as the source of much of that electricity. I’m not saying they won’t though... I’m pretty sure they are onboard with both cleaning up their environment, and limiting their CO2 emissions.

What makes you confident they are onboard with limiting CO2 emissions when they are currently looking the other way at rising CFC emissions which are far more harmful.

Re: China's e-buses dent oil demand more than electric cars do

#39

Excuse me for this tangent, but when it comes to environmental concerns, why do we still skirt around the largest elephant in the room? Curbing population growth. We have laws against almost every "natural human instinct/desire": X Murder X Rape X Theft, even if you're stealing food when you're starving X Taking shelter in property that you don't own, even if you were freezing to death X In some countries: Being with…

Yet the bigger elephant is letting the filthy rich do whatever they want including keeping the poor from education.

Re: China's e-buses dent oil demand more than electric cars do

#40

Excuse me for this tangent, but when it comes to environmental concerns, why do we still skirt around the largest elephant in the room? Curbing population growth. We have laws against almost every "natural human instinct/desire": X Murder X Rape X Theft, even if you're stealing food when you're starving X Taking shelter in property that you don't own, even if you were freezing to death X In some countries: Being with…

Population growth is actually slowing worldwide, and we face the very real possibility of a global population decline within the next century. You’re trying to solve a problem that is already “solving” itself.
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