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Nvidia's $99 Jetson Nano Is an AI Computer for DIY Enthusiasts

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Re: Nvidia's $99 Jetson Nano Is an AI Computer for DIY Enthusiasts

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Post by syshum »

agumonkey wrote: post #109
doomjunky wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at this lead pencil. There's not a single person in the world who could make this pencil. [0] [0]: Milton Friedman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Gppi-O3a8

Sorry to differ, I think this is twisted by an era where liberal market was held as god like status. Take the rubber and metal out because for now. To draw a dark line on a surface, you take the first bit of wood you find, grind it into a point and burn it. You have a pencil. I really believe that the free market centuries made people believe it was the only or most efficient way to get an object done, just like peop…

The thought experiment was not "how can I draw a dark line on a surface from scratch" but Making a Modern #2 pencil

and no one ever thought java ee was the only way to make a web application, not even in the early 2000's

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Post by tyingq »

joshvm wrote: post #118
Zekio wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

just no SATA? or no SATA and no NVMe?

The development kit specifically lists NVMe as an option https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/autonomous-machines/embedded-sy...

Tried "search in page" for NVMe, no luck. Not sure what you're seeing.

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Post by agumonkey »

todd8 wrote: post #120
agumonkey wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry to differ, I think this is twisted by an era where liberal market was held as god like status. Take the rubber and metal out because for now. To draw a dark line on a surface, you take the first bit of wood you find, grind it into a point and burn it. You have a pencil. I really believe that the free market centuries made people believe it was the only or most efficient way to get an object done, just like peop…

You’ve moved the goal posts. It’s not that the construction of some thing, anything, that can be used to write with is difficult. As you point out a piece of charcoal isn’t hard to make. Milton Friedman’s point is that even something as simple and inexpensive as a pencil involves people all over the world working together to create it. Some mine graphite, some run ships to move the graphite, some manufacture paint, s…

I agree on goalpost but still differ on Friedman's point. Culture shifts into thinking you need objects to the point of making you forget what you wanted in the first place. Friedman wants to marvel at the thought of his beloved market.

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Post by michaelt »

akadruid1 wrote: post #105
doomjunky wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at this lead pencil. There's not a single person in the world who could make this pencil. [0] [0]: Milton Friedman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5Gppi-O3a8

There's the guy who spent $1500 and six months making a sandwich from scratch[0], including growing, collecting and killing the ingredients [0]: https://youtu.be/URvWSsAgtJE

  spent $1500
(By flying from Minnesota to LA and renting a boat to get salt from the sea)

Re: Nvidia's $99 Jetson Nano Is an AI Computer for DIY Enthusiasts

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Post by Kurtz79 »

supernova87a wrote: post #76

I am continually amazed that we're able to buy better and cheaper processors that no one could have dreamed about at such power/cost 50 years ago. I estimate it would take me and you maybe 1 year to learn how to build / assemble most things you find in your house that cost $1000 in a store -- a couch, a rug, even a simple kitchen appliance (the dumb kind). But a CPU / computer? I could not invent that given 10,000 ye…

I saw this exposed a couple of weeks ago at the Vitra Design Museum near Basel:

https://www.dezeen.com/2009/06/27/the-toaster-project-by-tho...

The author tried, as an art project, to build from scratch a It cost him more than 1000$ bucks, 9 months, and the result was, well, what you see in the photos.

Re: Nvidia's $99 Jetson Nano Is an AI Computer for DIY Enthusiasts

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Post by joshvm »

tyingq wrote: post #123
joshvm wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The development kit specifically lists NVMe as an option https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/autonomous-machines/embedded-sy...

Tried "search in page" for NVMe, no luck. Not sure what you're seeing.

Weird. I opened it in reader mode. Doesn't seem to be on the normal page. It's a screenshot, maybe a draft?

https://www.nvidia.com/content/dam/en-zz/Solutions/pattern-l...

Re: Nvidia's $99 Jetson Nano Is an AI Computer for DIY Enthusiasts

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Post by nakedrobot2 »

This Jetson Nano is a crippled TX1, nothing more.

We have been building cameras with the TX1 and TX2 for 3 years now. We have seen things you people wouldn't believe ;-)) Now, can we cut through the hype a bit? Ready? Get your rant mask on.

The Tegra (aka Jetson) chipsets are quite buggy at a silicon level. If you find a hardware bug, nVidia will not acknowledge it, or help you (unless you're Nintendo for example, buying millions of pieces, of course)

The tx1, tx2, etc. are a nested maze of blackboxes, which you do not and will not have access to. For example, the camera ISP is accessible by THREE companies in the whole world. If you want to utilize the ISP, you have to go through them. Will those companies help you? Yes, for a very large fee. Why should they make the fee lower? They have almost no competition. OK, so you manage to get a sensor driver from one of those three companies. The sensor driver is, probably, also very buggy and poorly written. Maybe you can rewrite it yourself. The company who wrote the original one might help you anyway with ISP tuning (again for a fee).

nVidia doesn't give a damn about hobbyists or smaller companies. They will willingly mislead you with specs that are outright false and throw your company under a bus without the slightest second thought. We have seen this repeatedly with nVidia - their corporate culture really tends toward arrogant douchebaggery, second perhaps only to GoPro.

So, after all that, it seems that nVidia has produced too much TX1 silicon, so they've crippled it, and put it in a package that they're selling for $99.

I'm not really excited about it :-)

Re: Nvidia's $99 Jetson Nano Is an AI Computer for DIY Enthusiasts

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Post by paulie_a »

amelius wrote: post #97
supernova87a wrote: post #76

I am continually amazed that we're able to buy better and cheaper processors that no one could have dreamed about at such power/cost 50 years ago. I estimate it would take me and you maybe 1 year to learn how to build / assemble most things you find in your house that cost $1000 in a store -- a couch, a rug, even a simple kitchen appliance (the dumb kind). But a CPU / computer? I could not invent that given 10,000 ye…

And audiophile-quality HiFi hasn't dropped in price a bit ...

That's because "audiophile" is a term that means over priced scam. Pro gear has gotten cheaper and better.

It might as well be described as using artisanal components, hand crafted etc.

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