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How MSG Got a Bad Rap (2016)

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Re: How MSG Got a Bad Rap (2016)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I intended to write that s/he should just swallow the chocolate to not taste what's inside but I forgot. I mean if we are gonna give this dude headaches at the least let's make it chocolate?

Bad science. Chocolate has a lot of confounding components such as Tyramine which is said to trigger migraines in the sensitive.

Which would show join the test put forward.

Agree with your point but the way you got there doesn't add up.

Re: How MSG Got a Bad Rap (2016)

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IMHO the fact that Asians have been consuming it in huge amounts for over a century, and yet there hasn't been any common health problems linked to it, should be enough of a clue that it's not really harmful... I've found that restaurants in China in general tend to use a lot more MSG and other glutamate products than North America, enough to give me a little bit of a "high". It would not surprise me that someone not…

> IMHO the fact that Asians have been consuming it in huge amounts for over a century, and yet there hasn't been any common health problems linked to it, should be enough of a clue that it's not really harmful... This isn't really a good argument. Western people use lactose in a variety of ways such as a drink additive (tea), for cooking (cheese, cream-based sauces), and even consuming by the glass (good ol' fashion…

Not to mention "Asian Glow." There are a number of health experiences that are personal.

Clumsy attempts to make across-the-board statements about healthy or not will necessarily fail in these circumstances.

Re: How MSG Got a Bad Rap (2016)

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Though I am skeptical of the bad rep MSG gets, I find that I can get the same umami flavor for the most part from using nutritional yeast. I like the fact that it gives me control over the umami aspect of what I'm cooking without altering the salt content. That let's me control the saltiness of the food with actual salt rather than adding MSG and hoping I'm not oversalting for the sake of having that "secret sauce" e…

I find nutritional yeast tastes cheesy. It's just not the same as MSG. I also find that MSG goes a long way... just a dash in an entire casserole can elevate the taste without going into salty territory.

By themselves, they definitely do not have a 1-1 taste. But if you put MSG and yeast in a dish where they are well integrated (such as the casserole you mentioned) and evened out the salt, I'd be hard pressed to tell you which is which.

That's just me though. I see what you are saying.

Re: How MSG Got a Bad Rap (2016)

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https://www.thedailymeal.com/eat/foods-you-didnt-know-contai...

Doritos, Pringles, KFC, campbells soup among others.

MSG fear is mostly about racism at this point.

This video is pretty relevant and more recent with some good information / background on things.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Sm8Yx-gWlMs

Re: How MSG Got a Bad Rap (2016)

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This is a garbage non-article. It admits some people have sensitivity to MSG. It doesn't offer evidence against some other additive in chinese food is making people experience racing heart. It doesn't even consider the possibility that in the past MSG had some impurity that caused a health issue that may not be reproducible now. It doesn't even consider how detached the long-term effects of food are (think how long i…

Anybody care to explain the downvotes?

Re: How MSG Got a Bad Rap (2016)

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I've isolated MSG as a cause of sinus headaches for me, along with a handful of other foods. It is in some flavored chips, and the first few times when going back and trying to figure out what caused my headache I was surprised to see it in the ingredient list since it has such a stigma. I also run into it at kbbq places mixed in with the salt. Not saying it is bad for everyone, but it is a consistent issue for me.

All you've isolated is the placebo effect unless you react that same way to all glutamate containing foods. Chicken broth has tons of glutamate in it, if chicken broth doesn't cause your headaches then neither does MSG. And if you're thinking that the glutamate in chicken broth or other foods could be reacting differently because it's not monosodium glutamate, that's not possible because the instant MSG is dissolved…

Yea, tomatoes give me sinus headaches too. I don't do broth because of sodium nitrites in the celery have also been a consistent issue. Where does the glutamate come from in broth? I hadn't heard that before.

Re: How MSG Got a Bad Rap (2016)

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It's the first I hear about "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome" but MSG is 12.28g per 100g sodium and so should be avoided by, or at the very least restricted in the diets of, people on a low-sodium diet, such as hypertensives, kidney patients and diabetics.

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Source of the 12.28g per 100g claim:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5694874/

Which actually advocates for the use of MSG to reduce sodium, which I find very unreasonable. The point of MSG is to increase the umami taste- but you can get that from glutamate acid, without the sodium. The only extra thing you get from MSG is the extra sodium.

The article says that only a small amount of MSG is required to enhance taste, but just try asking workers in restaurants how much MSG is in the food they serve you. Try asking them how much salt is in it, even - I have a relative on a low sodium diet and I know it's pointless, people don't even understand the question. "How much salt? What do you mean?".

And of course, just because someone puts MSG in their food doesn't mean they don't also add extra salt to it. The result is that people like my relative can't eat food with MSG without getting about twice their safe daily intake from a single meal.

Another study on 1227 Chinese adults found that MSG increased blood pressure over a period of 5 years:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21372742

But I can't read the full text.

Re: How MSG Got a Bad Rap (2016)

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I've isolated MSG as a cause of sinus headaches for me, along with a handful of other foods. It is in some flavored chips, and the first few times when going back and trying to figure out what caused my headache I was surprised to see it in the ingredient list since it has such a stigma. I also run into it at kbbq places mixed in with the salt. Not saying it is bad for everyone, but it is a consistent issue for me.

MSG naturally occurs in naturally ripened tomatoes and some cheeses. Do you also have issues with those?

Tomatoes yes. Haven't isolated types of cheese but it's good to know. Had some soft brie last week without issue. I keep my diet really simple to not get headaches, so cheese isn't a huge part of my life.
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