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Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by yongjik »

marcinzm wrote: post #168
yongjik wrote: post #126

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Yes, but on the other hand, the prevalence of far-right dialogue contributed to the rise of far-right politicians. When they are in power, they use their power to block the voices for minority rights, women's rights, LGBT rights, etc. Do you think they will stop, thinking "Oh but far-right voices are still allowed, it won't be fair if I silence women's activists"? All things considered, I'm not convinced that censori…

>"Oh but far-right voices are still allowed, it won't be fair if I silence women's activists"? No, but they'd need to pass laws and fight court battles to enable censorship versus merely taking over existing systems of censorship. The latter is much easier to do and much harder to notice or right against. Especially when merely fighting against it is grounds for censorship. >Yes, but on the other hand, the prevalence…

> No, but they'd need to pass laws and fight court battles to enable censorship versus merely taking over existing systems of censorship.

I don't think that's a significant hurdle to any politician with popular support.

Look at Trump, for example, not because I hate him (well I do, but that's not the point here), but because he is a good example of what a politician can do. He rammed into the freaking Supreme Court a candidate that was accused as rapist. And there was nothing the opposition could do.

And the crazy thing is, Trump doesn't even enjoy unanimous support. Far from it.

There's not much you can do once a politician is at power, has a semblance of popular support, and is willing to forego established political norms. Laws? They will change laws, they will take their matter to courts, and they will win.

So I'm still not convinced it's a net positive to have an uncompromising legal roadblock against censorship, when the cost is to increase the chance that someone will rise to power and kick that roadblock away like a tin can.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by Mirioron »

TheTruth1234 wrote: post #178
zed88 wrote: post #135

I think censorship is not going to fix the issue, people have the right to see and face evil if they so wish to and have a strong heart. I am from NZ and a muslim and have watched the video myself an hour after the incident, I know people personally affected by this and I think we all need to come together as human beings and understand that there are some evil ideas and people everywhere around the world. And that's…

>> I think censorship is not going to fix the issue, people have the right to see and face evil if they so wish to and have a strong heart. It's the inadvertent exposure that's more of a problem. The access is just so easy. If you were browsing at the time it was happening, you almost couldn't not watch the video because it was so prevelant. I'm imagining a 16 year old coming across it, and wondering how they process…

>I'm imagining a 16 year old coming across it, and wondering how they process it.

I saw ISIS propaganda videos at around the age of 16. The ones where they kill people in various ways. Nothing else in life has made me disgusted by other people as much as those videos did. I'm reminded of the videos when I read about ISIS. It strengthens my view that ISIS is a group that needs to be fought.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by dang »

reader5000 wrote: post #236
fzeroracer wrote: post #206

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You're going off on wild tangents. I didn't ask about whether or not the sites would be held liable for their content, nor did I muse on whether or not facebook is required by law to pull down their videos. I have a very specific question that I want answers for and I don't want any further misdirection. 4chan is an example of a pure free market of ideas. Yet only the most toxic of ideologies seem to survive. Why is…

How is 4chan more toxic than e.g. the New York Times?

Please don't do this here.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by dang »

fzeroracer wrote: post #206
vuln wrote: post #195

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Well in the US Facebook / Twitter / 4chan / 8chan are all protected by safe harbor[1]. These sites / cannot be legally held liable for content their users post. Facebook isn’t required by law to pull down the video. They pull down the video because it’s not profitable (shareholders) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_harbor_(law)

You're going off on wild tangents. I didn't ask about whether or not the sites would be held liable for their content, nor did I muse on whether or not facebook is required by law to pull down their videos. I have a very specific question that I want answers for and I don't want any further misdirection. 4chan is an example of a pure free market of ideas. Yet only the most toxic of ideologies seem to survive. Why is…

Would you please not argue aggressively on HN ("You're avoiding the point", "You're going off on wild tangents", " I don't want any further misdirection") regardless of how wrong someone is? It breaks the guidelines, doesn't help, and only makes this place worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by Mirioron »

huffmsa wrote: post #252
TheTruth1234 wrote: post #251

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If I open my browser, pop on to twitter, and the video is right there waiting under the top trending topic ... it might as well be Time Square.

So click "hide" and carry on. Or Twitter can implement a "do not autoplay sensitive content" feature.

I wish they didn't autoplay anything.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by Mirioron »

stefan_ wrote: post #161
seanwilson wrote: post #93

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For comparison, I can't think of anything close to this graphic being shown on the news. I'm not sure how honest you're being with your comment but there's clearly a line where news reporting jumps from showing something to communicate the facts to something that is gratuitous + glorifying the guilty + insulting to the victims + traumatising to family and friends. It's not easy to describe exactly where that line is…

And it's a damn shame. I still remember when WikiLeaks released that video from the Apache helicopter strafing down a Reuters journalist based on some grey pixel looking like a rocket launcher, then coming back for those picking up survivors, while laughing at it all. People need stark reminders what trillions in military funding is buying them. It's exactly that. They need to see what lax gun laws enable, what warmo…

>They need to see what lax gun laws enable

Doesn't NZ have strict gun laws?

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by [deleted] »

anigbrowl wrote: post #123
sasasassy wrote: post #65

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Acquiring child porn doesn't have to be any more difficult than acquiring videos of beheadings and other vile acts. It was only made difficult to acquire out of puritanism, there's nothing intrinsic about it that suggests you have to commit further crimes to find it. And if the idea is that the public is too dumb and easy to influence and therefore cannot be shown child porn or killings in New Zeland etc then it does…

And yet CP aficionados often seem to end up producing their own because it becomes an object of trade on certain black markets. Here's an example from just a month ago: http://www.foxla.com/news/local-news/porn-actress-director-a... How is it that people who become interested in and start to collect CP would ever become involved in its production, in your model? Having gained access to a product they desire, those pe…

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Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by HNLurker2 »

peterwwillis wrote: post #312
zed88 wrote: post #135

I think censorship is not going to fix the issue, people have the right to see and face evil if they so wish to and have a strong heart. I am from NZ and a muslim and have watched the video myself an hour after the incident, I know people personally affected by this and I think we all need to come together as human beings and understand that there are some evil ideas and people everywhere around the world. And that's…

By that logic we should stop censoring child porn, because it doesn't solve the issue by itself.

I can tell you after hours of meditating on it it is intrinsicly even disgusting to watch and morally fucked and you need to visit a therapist.

Edit: isn't that hard to find because of Bing article on it https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/10/unsafe-search/

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by pojzon »

kumarm wrote: post #240
zed88 wrote: post #135

I think censorship is not going to fix the issue, people have the right to see and face evil if they so wish to and have a strong heart. I am from NZ and a muslim and have watched the video myself an hour after the incident, I know people personally affected by this and I think we all need to come together as human beings and understand that there are some evil ideas and people everywhere around the world. And that's…

The video is being distributed in whatsapp groups in countries where education level of people is pretty low. This is going to be propaganda for more violence in the world. World is complicated and no censorship doesn't work when a society has 50% that never went to school.

So we instead of spending more money on education in those places, censor the shit out of everything remotely questionable.

That sounds like a good long term solution!

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Post by sincerely »

Mirioron wrote: post #335
huffmsa wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So click "hide" and carry on. Or Twitter can implement a "do not autoplay sensitive content" feature.

I wish they didn't autoplay anything.

I think you can turn that off in your account settings, actually (it may be called something like "data saver" or the like)
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