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Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

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I'm not saying we need to be in denial of death. I'm well versed, thanks. But that doesn't mean I need or want to tune into the live-action progress of a disgusting, terrorist attack.

And I'm not saying it should be played in time square. But hiding it from the "normal" parts of the internet doesn't do anyone any favors.

If I open my browser, pop on to twitter, and the video is right there waiting under the top trending topic ... it might as well be Time Square.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

#252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And I'm not saying it should be played in time square. But hiding it from the "normal" parts of the internet doesn't do anyone any favors.

If I open my browser, pop on to twitter, and the video is right there waiting under the top trending topic ... it might as well be Time Square.

So click "hide" and carry on.

Or Twitter can implement a "do not autoplay sensitive content" feature.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

#253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not saying we need to be in denial of death. I'm well versed, thanks. But that doesn't mean I need or want to tune into the live-action progress of a disgusting, terrorist attack.

And I'm not saying it should be played in time square. But hiding it from the "normal" parts of the internet doesn't do anyone any favors.

What about the fact the he wanted the video viewed and his crap to be read? Not participating in something he wants is (another) motivation for avoiding his creations.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

#254

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The whole god damn thing was his propaganda! Why did he film it? why publish a rant? why write things on his guns? to try to push his shitville excuse of a view. To embolden other shitists. Do sow fear and anger into the non-shit.

Sure, it's propaganda, but you have to understand your enemy to defeat them. I'm not interested in this video or the man's opinions. But I strongly believe that the footage should be available so people can see just how horrifying it was. If you want people to take terrorism seriously, they need to really really understand how terrifying it is. Names and numbers don't do that. Watching another human go from walking a…

I've changed my mind jimjimjim. I accept the argument that it is propaganda.

But to me, it's utility as documentation of a tragedy outweighs it's utility as propaganda.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

#255
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I think censorship is not going to fix the issue, people have the right to see and face evil if they so wish to and have a strong heart. I am from NZ and a muslim and have watched the video myself an hour after the incident, I know people personally affected by this and I think we all need to come together as human beings and understand that there are some evil ideas and people everywhere around the world. And that's…

I think anyone who seeks out - or worse, redistributes - this video, is complicit in furthering the propagandistic aims of the attacker.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

#256
post #135

I think censorship is not going to fix the issue, people have the right to see and face evil if they so wish to and have a strong heart. I am from NZ and a muslim and have watched the video myself an hour after the incident, I know people personally affected by this and I think we all need to come together as human beings and understand that there are some evil ideas and people everywhere around the world. And that's…

> I think censorship is not going to fix the issue, people have the right to see and face evil if they so wish to and have a strong heart. I'd like to pentest that. Here are some real and hypothetical cases that should be easier to defend: * thousands of people access scientific journal articles through scihub * thousands of people copy books from an illegal mirror of the corpus of digital books from UC libraries tha…

As a user, Yes. As a publisher no.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

#257
post #135

I think censorship is not going to fix the issue, people have the right to see and face evil if they so wish to and have a strong heart. I am from NZ and a muslim and have watched the video myself an hour after the incident, I know people personally affected by this and I think we all need to come together as human beings and understand that there are some evil ideas and people everywhere around the world. And that's…

>> I think censorship is not going to fix the issue, people have the right to see and face evil if they so wish to and have a strong heart. It's the inadvertent exposure that's more of a problem. The access is just so easy. If you were browsing at the time it was happening, you almost couldn't not watch the video because it was so prevelant. I'm imagining a 16 year old coming across it, and wondering how they process…

Why do you think the reaction would be any different from any violent action movie? If you don’t know the context, you also don’t know that those people actually died.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

#259
post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> I think censorship is not going to fix the issue, people have the right to see and face evil if they so wish to and have a strong heart. It's the inadvertent exposure that's more of a problem. The access is just so easy. If you were browsing at the time it was happening, you almost couldn't not watch the video because it was so prevelant. I'm imagining a 16 year old coming across it, and wondering how they process…

Why do you think the reaction would be any different from any violent action movie? If you don’t know the context, you also don’t know that those people actually died.

I did know the context.

Re: Facebook failed to block 20% of uploaded New Zealand shooter videos

#260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, it's propaganda, but you have to understand your enemy to defeat them. I'm not interested in this video or the man's opinions. But I strongly believe that the footage should be available so people can see just how horrifying it was. If you want people to take terrorism seriously, they need to really really understand how terrifying it is. Names and numbers don't do that. Watching another human go from walking a…

what?! I was responding to your post saying it wasn't propaganda! explain yourself!

I've changed my mind jimjimjim. I accept the argument that it is propaganda.

But to me, it's utility as documentation of a tragedy outweighs it's utility as propaganda.

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